
AbsolutGrndZer0 |

Okay, first of all as I understand it mythic monsters still get mythic feats in addition to their powers. So, is there any rules that say that a monster can't take Dual Path to gain the ability to take normal mythic abilities? Mainly I would be just using the feats to get the abilities, still going with the main 'monster' abilities for the normal ones.
So for example, a mythic vampire rank 10... could she have all the vampire mythic template, but use her first feat to pick up Dual Path (Archmage) and then the rest of her feats to snag archmage powers?

kestral287 |
Well, you can only take Extra Path Ability once, so you can get at most one Archmage ability plus an Arcana.
By RAW this doesn't work though, because mythic monsters have ranks, not tiers. Because of that they never qualify for Dual Path based on the 1st Mythic Tier requirement.
One could, however, just draw up a vampire who has tiers instead of any of the usual mythic monster benefits.

AbsolutGrndZer0 |

Well, yes but I want her to have the mythic vampire abilities
And wow I never noticed that Extra Path Ability could only be taken once... I just assumed it could be taken multiple times since all the lesser "extra" things can.
Although, it looks like at each rank as a monster you can give them the monster ability OR another one? Not to mention that it's an NPC thing, as players more than likely aren't going to be playing monsters...
Oh and also just as a point against what you said that they don't qualify because they have mythic ranks not mythic tiers...
For any ability, spell, magic item, or other rule that requires a mythic tier or interfaces with the tier rules, a monster’s mythic rank counts as its tier.

Seannoss |

Two solutions. First, create the vampire with mythic tiers and not as a monster.
Second. Monsters don't follow rules that characters do. Basically each rank grants them a mythic ability. no need to take mythic paths, just pick and choose the ones you want, depending on rank.
Mythic rank is different as it doesn't give the free abilities tiers do.

AbsolutGrndZer0 |

Two solutions. First, create the vampire with mythic tiers and not as a monster.
Second. Monsters don't follow rules that characters do. Basically each rank grants them a mythic ability. no need to take mythic paths, just pick and choose the ones you want, depending on rank.
Mythic rank is different as it doesn't give the free abilities tiers do.
Well, after more reading I realized it still does, just it's more open to customization. So as a mythic vampire she'd get all the abilities that the mythic vampire template gives her. Then she'd get the stat bonuses and mythic feats from the mythic subtype. So, that means that she can take Extra Mythic Path Ability once, which really once is all I need her to take it anyway for the universal ability of Beyond Morality. If it was possible to take Extra Path more than once I'd do Dual Path, but it isn't so that doesn't matter anymore (unless I GM house rule and let her take it more than once, but I don't think I want to do that)

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Seannoss wrote:Well, after more reading I realized it still does, just it's more open to customization. So as a mythic vampire she'd get all the abilities that the mythic vampire template gives her. Then she'd get the stat bonuses and mythic feats from the mythic subtype. So, that means that she can take Extra Mythic Path Ability once, which really once is all I need her to take it anyway for the universal ability of Beyond Morality. If it was possible to take Extra Path more than once I'd do Dual Path, but it isn't so that doesn't matter anymore (unless I GM house rule and let her take it more than once, but I don't think I want to do that)Two solutions. First, create the vampire with mythic tiers and not as a monster.
Second. Monsters don't follow rules that characters do. Basically each rank grants them a mythic ability. no need to take mythic paths, just pick and choose the ones you want, depending on rank.
Mythic rank is different as it doesn't give the free abilities tiers do.
If all you're looking to do is to make an unsmitable vampire, just give it to it. That's the thing about monsters, they're not bound by rules for PC's.

bookrat |
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AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote:If all you're looking to do is to make an unsmitable vampire, just give it to it. That's the thing about monsters, they're not bound by rules for PC's.Seannoss wrote:Well, after more reading I realized it still does, just it's more open to customization. So as a mythic vampire she'd get all the abilities that the mythic vampire template gives her. Then she'd get the stat bonuses and mythic feats from the mythic subtype. So, that means that she can take Extra Mythic Path Ability once, which really once is all I need her to take it anyway for the universal ability of Beyond Morality. If it was possible to take Extra Path more than once I'd do Dual Path, but it isn't so that doesn't matter anymore (unless I GM house rule and let her take it more than once, but I don't think I want to do that)Two solutions. First, create the vampire with mythic tiers and not as a monster.
Second. Monsters don't follow rules that characters do. Basically each rank grants them a mythic ability. no need to take mythic paths, just pick and choose the ones you want, depending on rank.
Mythic rank is different as it doesn't give the free abilities tiers do.
Some people like to use the rules of the system rather than just making things up willy-nilly; the GM isn't above the rules of the table unless everyone at the table agrees that the GM can make up rules not listed in the books.

AbsolutGrndZer0 |

If all you're looking to do is to make an unsmitable vampire, just give it to it. That's the thing about monsters, they're not bound by rules for PC's.
Didn't even think of that. The reason I wanted her to be Beyond Morality was more of a conceptual thing. She was a good person before she was a vampire (she was collateral damage in a vampire war and her vampire brother refused to let his little sister die) she turned evil and over the years has gone back and forth. So then when she became mythic she kind of lost her alignment... she's not evil anymore, but she's not good... and she's not neutral. She just is... beyond morality.
Rarely is anything I do for a stat benefit, those are just happy side effects. I am very very much a roleplayer before a rollplayer.
Some people like to use the rules of the system rather than just making things up willy-nilly; the GM isn't above the rules of the table unless everyone at the table agrees that the GM can make up rules not listed in the books.
Exactly. As I said above, I am a roleplayer first, but then I am a proper rollplayer too. I like to keep my concepts grounded in the rules to keep it fair to the players. If I break a rule, I'll let the PCs do it too.