Monster Stat Block errors


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion

Sovereign Court

Hey all - frankly I think that Pathfinder is generally pretty good about stat blocks considering all the issues I've seen in other game systems - but I was just curious what all stat block issues you've all noticed in the bestiaries.

To start off - the Will o' Wisp's CMD is 5 points too high. It's listed as 24, but it should be 19. Likely that was due to them not including the Wisp's negative strength score.

It's a pretty significant mistake, since with the lower CMD grappling becomes pretty easy, and probably the best tactic to immobilize them for the rest of the group. At the stat block's CMD, grappling them isn't easy at the levels they're hard to otherwise hit.


The 24 is correct, you are forgetting the deflection bonus.

Bestiaries do have mistakes but most of the times are pretty minor.

Sovereign Court

leo1925 wrote:
The 24 is correct, you are forgetting the deflection bonus.

No I'm not - you're likely forgetting strength (as I mentioned before). Unlike CMB - CMD always includes both strength & dex. 10+9(dex)+5(deflection)+1(dodge)-1(size)-5(strength)=19.


Charon's Little Helper wrote:
leo1925 wrote:
The 24 is correct, you are forgetting the deflection bonus.
No I'm not - you're likely forgetting strength (as I mentioned before). Unlike CMB - CMD always includes both strength & dex. 10+9(dex)+5(deflection)+1(dodge)-1(size)-5(strength)=19.

Add BAB and subtruct that dodge AC.

I don't why the monster doesn't have that dodge bonus factored in but it doesn't.


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Ogres aren't proficient with their weapons. There's some more, but it's late and I have to go to bed. :P

Liberty's Edge

Winterwight has greater Vital strike which requires 16 BAB and the Wight has only 15. So close but not a valid feat for this undead.

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