Retraining from a certain item

[Cao Phen]

With the retraining rules, are you able to retrain the feat gained from a certain item from a scenario?

If so, would the person who ran that scenario have to write off that you had changed it?

[UndeadMitch]

No, you can't. Since it is not a feat that you gained from levelling or from a class feature, it is ineligible for retraining.

[Nefreet]

There are other [REDACTED] that grant bonus feats as well.

They can't be retrained, either.

[Azouth]

What are you taking like a Ring of Evasion?

[Nefreet]

Basically, there's a [magic item on a Chronicle Sheet] that grants you a bonus feat.

This feat must be recorded on the Chronicle Sheet when you acquire the item.

*That* feat may not be retrained.

[kinevon]

Nefreet wrote:

Basically, there's a [magic item on a Chronicle Sheet] that grants you a bonus feat.

This feat must be recorded on the Chronicle Sheet when you acquire the item.

*That* feat may not be retrained.

What if the feat, due to changes in campaign rules, becomes illegal for the PC to have?

I used the item to gain the Butterfly's Sting feat for my Cayden Caillean worshiping Fighter. At the time, the feat was not locked to Desna, as it was well before the publication of the Inner Sea Gods book, and its deity feats limitation.

So, would it be grandfathered in?
Would my fighter have to change deities?
Or would I have to change the feat, or have a wasted item/feat?

[GM Lamplighter]

Nothing is "grandfathered in" unless it is specified in the rules. This is a weird corner case, I would think you should change deities (if that makes sense from an in-character point of view), as that doesn't require special dispensation from campaign staff.

[Belafon]

Nefreet wrote:

Basically, there's a [magic item on a Chronicle Sheet] that grants you a bonus feat.

This feat must be recorded on the Chronicle Sheet when you acquire the item.

*That* feat may not be retrained.

I was at a table with a player who argued the interpretation that he could unequip that item (with appropriate steps) and then re-equip it (with appropriate steps) and therefore choose a new feat since the feat choice was made at initial equipping.

I took a very dim view of that interpretation (OK, I flat out said "no way") but I was a player, not the GM. The GM allowed it, so the player got his feat changed.

[zefig]

kinevon wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Basically, there's a [magic item on a Chronicle Sheet] that grants you a bonus feat.

This feat must be recorded on the Chronicle Sheet when you acquire the item.

*That* feat may not be retrained.

What if the feat, due to changes in campaign rules, becomes illegal for the PC to have?

I used the item to gain the Butterfly's Sting feat for my Cayden Caillean worshiping Fighter. At the time, the feat was not locked to Desna, as it was well before the publication of the Inner Sea Gods book, and its deity feats limitation.

So, would it be grandfathered in?
Would my fighter have to change deities?
Or would I have to change the feat, or have a wasted item/feat?

As long as you had the feat before Inner Sea Gods came out, you can change it to the new version but ignore prerequisites you don't meet.

P 27 Guide to Organized Play wrote:

If a feat or trait changes or is removed from the Additional Resources list: You have two options. First, you may either switch the old feat for an updated feat of the same name in another legal source (if available), ignoring any prerequisites of the new feat you do not meet. Alternatively, you may replace the feat entirely with another feat for which you meet all the prerequisites.