Mosaic
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Anyone remember the name of Asmodeus' daughter in Pathfinder? If I recall correctly, her mother wasn't a devil, she was some kind of royalty from the elemental plane of fire. I can't remember her name either. I'd love a reference to which book they are referenced in. Thanks
Mosaic
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Yup, that's the one. Thanks! [note: in previous editions of D&D, Asmodeus did have a daughter - Glasya]
Ms. Pleiades
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Asmodeus probably has lots son and daughter that we know nothing about.
Gods can procreate with anything.
Asmodeus strikes me at first glance as the sort to contend "You're not worthy to bear my progeny, nobody is!", but then, I consider his whole lawful schtick to be putting on airs so he can fool himself into thinking his brand of evil is any less arbitrary and biased on mere personal whims than any demon. In which case he probably has forced himself on (Note, Lawful Evil, totally disrespecting choice and freedom for anybody but themselves) countless beings in a display of power. Asmodeus is after all a predator that blames his victims, a mode of thinking that bears resemblance to some of the worst people humanity has ever produced.
I think I just took this thread in a direction a whole lot darker than the OP wanted.
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My favorite possible heresy: Grazzt as the son of Pale Night and unknown to even him Asmodeus.
Not sure where I have this from though.. ..though it is even on this FR wiki
W E Ray
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I don't remember where the Asmodeus/-Pale-Night-made-Graz'zt idea started either, though I've had it as canon in my Home-Game for a good 10 years. I do remember this, though, the same source, in the same sentence even, said that Graz'zt could also be the offspring of The Crawling Chaos, Nyarlathotep.
From the 1983 1E Monster Manual 2, where Glasya is first listed in D&D -- and later in Dragon 75 & 76 where she is given a whole article -- it kinda always bugged me that the designers (Ed Greenwood, I guess, since he wrote that super feature in Dragon) made the daughter, Glasya, from a MALE demon from christian mythology.
Plenty of female demon names from christian mythology to choose from for the daughter of Asmodeus, but No, Ed Greenwood had to choose the name of a male demon.
W E Ray
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Going back to two of my old Paizo Threads from 2005 and 2010 that are (somewhat) related to this one, I found the link between Graz'zt and Nyarlathotep.
And it's much more recent than I remembered: From the apocryphal "Demonomicon" article from WotC's first online product after they killed Dragon. (The jerks called it Dragon 360 even though they had just killed The Magazines.) I THINK Asmodeus's possible connection to Graz'zt is older than this James Jacobs article.
The exact nature of the entity that Pale Night ensnared and mated with has long been the subject of debate among scholars. Those with their own desires and allegiances invoke names such as Asmodeus, Loki, Set, or even one of the ancient baernaloths, perhaps basing their theories more upon personal prejudice and loyalty than actual evidence. Others maintain that she chose as her mate the patriarch of an ancient race of immortal warriors from an alternate reality. Some hold it was the Abyss itself Pale Night called into her vault. A few ancient and ageless scholars believe that Pale Night was not, in fact, the aggressor in this matter, but that one of the Old Gods themselves, a cosmic entity of a thousand names and crawling chaos, visited Pale Night from his own court at the center of the universe, leaving her impregnated in an attempt to spawn a race of demons who would fulfill unknowable roles in his own dire plans for reality.
| Todd Stewart Contributor |
My favorite possible heresy: Grazzt as the son of Pale Night and unknown to even him Asmodeus.
Not sure where I have this from though.. ..though it is even on this FR wiki
I suspect it's an amalgamation of lore from 2e/3e and 4e. In 2e and 3.x, Grazzt was explicitly the child of Pale Night. However 4e used an entirely different cosmology and in-game history, and placed Grazzt as the child of Asmodeus IIRC.
The subtext to suggest the pairing is easy to pick up on, and in some nebulous form it has probably been dancing around for a long time.
To be honest it's a fun idea to suggest that Grazzt was born of a chance meeting on the battlefield of the earliest years of the Blood War, when Pale Night encountered Asmodeus prior to his fall from LN to LE, and that his encounter with her may have been the original trigger of his corruption by Evil. And even if that never happened, even if the story was 100% false, I'm sure that the 'loths would happily whisper it just to put seeds of doubt and confusion into Grazzt and Asmodeus's minds.