Acquiring a card that has no acquire conditions


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There's a new location in deck 4 called the Hall of Champions. The closing condition for the location requires a weapon to be displayed next to the location. The text for when permanently closed reads as follows:

Hall of Champions wrote:

On closing, add the displayed weapon and 1d4+1 random weapons from the box to this location without looking at them.

Add 1d6 to your checks to acquire weapons.

What happened when we played this scenario is that the person who was in position to close the location (after defeating a henchman) only had Brine's Sting in his hand. Since Brine's Sting is a loot reward and thus has no check to acquire, we were unsure if he would've been able to pick it back up when he encountered it.

So is that correct? If he displayed his Brine's Sting to close the location and get it shuffled in with the weapons drawn from the box, would it be banished automatically if it was encountered again?

Grand Lodge

Hmm. I wonder if the intent is that Loot can't be used in this situation. I could be mistaken, but I believe the card type is technically "Loot" and not weapon, though it counts as a weapon in terms of what happens when you play it and taking up deck space.

Personally, I would say that Loot weapons couldn't be used to close it unless Mike or someone says otherwise.


I'm sure Hawkmoon will be along in a sec to provide the link (or correct me), but if I recall correctly Mike or Vic said that you simply acquire them automatically.


I looked this up in the rules recently because it came up with another location. Essentially if you encounter a loot card you auto acquire.

p.24 Under Loot. Last sentence. "If a loot card ends up in a location deck, you automatically acquire it when you encounter it."


Holy swift keyboard Batman! Someone beat Hawkmoon to listing the rule location!

Grand Lodge

Shade325 wrote:

I looked this up in the rules recently because it came up with another location. Essentially if you encounter a loot card you auto acquire.

p.24 Under Loot. Last sentence. "If a loot card ends up in a location deck, you automatically acquire it when you encounter it."

Well that solves that! Thanks for finding the rule for us.


Shade325 wrote:

I looked this up in the rules recently because it came up with another location. Essentially if you encounter a loot card you auto acquire.

p.24 Under Loot. Last sentence. "If a loot card ends up in a location deck, you automatically acquire it when you encounter it."

Thanks!


The FAQ states: wrote:


On page 24 of the Skull & Shackles rulebook, under Loot, change "loot cards behave just like other boons of that type and count as cards of that type" to "loot cards behave just like other boons of that type and count as cards of that type rather than loot when played."

The thing is, displaying a weapon isn't really playing it. The only other guidance for loot in the FAQs is whether or not you can choose loot as a boon type, which is yes (since you have to exclude it in order for it to not get chosen).

I'd probably say no if we were to go by the rules wording. Of course, this means that Brine's Sting and other Loot cards wouldn't work with Oloch etc.


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The FAQ clarifies that, when played, loot counts as it's second type rather than as loot+the other type. Otherwise, you could not play two loot on the same check, because you can only play 1 card of each type on a check, and loot was previously a type for the purposes of checks.

In all other circumstances, loot counts as both loot and the second type. So, displaying Brine's Sting is a valid move at the Hall of Champions, because Brine's Sting is a weapon, just the same as you could get two dice from Blessing of Lamashtu against a villain if the villain was also a monster.

And yes to everything else, the S&S rules clarify that loot is automatically acquired if it ends up in a location deck and is encountered.


zeroth_hour wrote:
The FAQ states: wrote:


On page 24 of the Skull & Shackles rulebook, under Loot, change "loot cards behave just like other boons of that type and count as cards of that type" to "loot cards behave just like other boons of that type and count as cards of that type rather than loot when played."

The thing is, displaying a weapon isn't really playing it. The only other guidance for loot in the FAQs is whether or not you can choose loot as a boon type, which is yes (since you have to exclude it in order for it to not get chosen).

I'd probably say no if we were to go by the rules wording. Of course, this means that Brine's Sting and other Loot cards wouldn't work with Oloch etc.

Page 10 of the S&S rule book states that displaying a card counts as playing a card.

Sovereign Court

Hawkmoon will be here soon with a link, but this was actually brought up early on in S&S since we have multiple ways to put our cards into locations. I believe Mike's answer was that they are autoacquired.


Xexyz wrote:
zeroth_hour wrote:
The FAQ states: wrote:


On page 24 of the Skull & Shackles rulebook, under Loot, change "loot cards behave just like other boons of that type and count as cards of that type" to "loot cards behave just like other boons of that type and count as cards of that type rather than loot when played."

The thing is, displaying a weapon isn't really playing it. The only other guidance for loot in the FAQs is whether or not you can choose loot as a boon type, which is yes (since you have to exclude it in order for it to not get chosen).

I'd probably say no if we were to go by the rules wording. Of course, this means that Brine's Sting and other Loot cards wouldn't work with Oloch etc.

Page 10 of the S&S rule book states that displaying a card counts as playing a card.

Displaying a card for it's power counts as playing a card. Oloch displaying four armors to add to a check through his power certainly does not count as playing four armors on that check.

Pathfinder Adventure Card Game Designer

Loot is auto-acquired.


Amend my answer to yes. Not because displaying a card is playing it, but because for some reason I read the second part of the FAQ as "(loot cards behave just like other boons of that type and count as cards of that type rather than loot) when played."

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