Silly Slashing Grace Question

[The Doomkitten]

I know the answer to this is probably an emphatic no, but could you potentially use an Aldori Dueling Sword two-handedly to add 1.5x your Dexterity bonus to damage rolls?

[Protoman]

Nope.

[Dafydd]

Sorry, but no. If you want 1.5x to damage, stick with the much easier STR so you can use the dozen or so feats on other things.

[Imbicatus]

1: You only get the benefit of slashing grace when using a weapon one handed.

2: Even if you have the ability to add dex to damage with a two handed weapon (Agile Elven Curve Blade or Agile Spiked Chain), nothing in Agile, Slashing Grace, Fencing Grace, or Dervish Dance allows you to add 1.5 dex damage. Adding 1.5 STR damage on two handed weapons is a specific rule called out by the two handed weapon. Any way of getting dex to damage specifies you use your Dex modifier in place of your Str modifier. It doesn't say you add 1.5 dex on two-handed weapons, so you don't.

[Cyrus Lanthier]

Imbaicatus, I think you are right that you can't (or shouldn't be able to) use it two handed for 1.5x Dex damage, but it seems to me that "using your Dex modifier in place of your Str modifier" is exactly what would be going on if this did work.

The problem is that "one-handed weapons" are both (intuitively) weapons that you use in one hand and a class of weapons (like long swords) that can be used in two hands for 1.5x Str damage, which is why you can't get slashing grace on a Dagger, right? So, if it's the "class" of weapons (long swords, dueling swords, battle axes, but not Daggers) that you can use Slashing Grace with, then it makes sense to think that using Dex in place of Str for damage it would get multiplied (Swap modifier X for modifier Y, then multiply as you normally would for Y). If a "one handed slashing weapon" means a weapon that you are using in one hand that deals slashing damage (the intuitive approach), then you can use slashing grace with Daggers or Kukri or whatever (which seems fine to me, honestly). The "intuitive" reading also has the added benefit of preventing the OP's question from ever arising. But so long as a longsword wielded in two hands is still, in the relevant sense, a one-handed weapon, I think that a straightforward reading of the feat says that it works (which it shouldn't).

[Scythia]

Cyrus Lanthier wrote:

Imbaicatus, I think you are right that you can't (or shouldn't be able to) use it two handed for 1.5x Dex damage, but it seems to me that "using your Dex modifier in place of your Str modifier" is exactly what would be going on if this did work.

Be careful, there's a delicate balance that thinking like this threatens to topple. Some only agree that Dex to damage is okay so long as it doesn't ever get increased for using a two handed weapon. If Dex to damage supporters get silly and reach for the 1.5, we'll lose the moderates. :P

[Dafydd]

Not to derail the argument before it really gets going, but Slashing Grace says you must use the weapon in one hand.

Agile explicitly says NO.

Rapier (before even looking at fencing grace) says you do not get 1.5 STR when 2h it. So even if the feat does not have the same language as the above, the rapier itself says no.

So, um, yeah.... argument derailed, hopefully.

[Cyrus Lanthier]

Uhh... I actually misread slashing grace, somewhat (or wasn't checking carefully) when I posted that. It does explicitly say that it only works when wielding the weapon one-handed. Doh.

[Night_Shade]

When I read this the first thing I thouhgt about was usinf this and dual wielding Kukris (happy, happy, happy), until I read the one handed qualifier (happy thoughts shot down).

I would like to see a feat like this that would expand on the finessable weapons ( i like my dex builds alot).

[kestral287]

The new Effortless Lace solves most problems here. Use Slashing Grace to dual-wield scimitars (or more realistically Fencing Grace for rapiers so you don't have to dip Swashbuckler or burn two Laces), use Effortless Lace to make one of them light, you're good.