TWF and Splash Wespons

[Ornery Hobbit]

Just to be sure, can you throw multiple splash weapons if you have Two Weapon Fighting. Is the penalty -2/-2 on the ATT rolls?

TiA :)

OH

[blahpers]

Two-Weapon Fighting, Combat wrote:

The same rules apply when you throw a weapon from each hand. Treat a dart or shuriken as a light weapons when used in this manner, and treat a bolas, javelin, net, or sling as a one-handed weapon.

It's up to GM discretion whether a given splash weapon is considered a light weapon or a one-handed weapon. If the former, the penalty using the Two-Weapon Fighting feat would be -2 to both attacks. If the latter, it'd be -4 to both attacks.

[Zwordsman]

also you can still throw both without TWF (two weapon fighting) you just eat a lot of negatives. I thikn it's -10 for each?.

[Ornery Hobbit]

Are Splash weapons and the like (IE Tanglefoot Bags) weapons or ammunition?

[Zwordsman]

Ornery Hobbit wrote:

Are Splash weapons and the like (IE Tanglefoot Bags) weapons or ammunition?

As of ultimate equipment Alchemical Weapons. so weapons generally. Go look at ultimate equipment's gear section and it seperates various alchemical stuff into different categories, weapons tools a few others.

As for quick draw.. it gets complicated

Originally all those were "alchemical items" and was not valid.

Due to UE though due to "Alchemical Remedies Alchemical Tools Alchemical Weapons" you could talk to a gm about allowing them for quick draw as Items and Weapons are sort of seperate things in this game. I generally have had gm's say i can quick draw it if it's readily available like a sword etc. So I had a lot of bandoleers and small pouches.

i also carried inhalable powder in vials on my chest. (glad that never backfired. but generally my gms don't see a point in making chars roll for all their glass items when hit by a sonic item.. considering that can result in upwards of 30rolls)

for PFS I have no clue though.

[Ornery Hobbit]

but a move action should allow me to draw two alch weapons from say a Handy Haversack put on backwards (IE on my chest), one with either hand assuming TWF?

[Zwordsman]

nope. It's still one item at a time with a move action. Since that retrieval action specifies pulling an item out and not items.
It even takes a move action to open your HH to pull out chalk.

you could ask your gm to allow it though.

[Nefreet]

There are no rules saying to treat them as light, and there are no rules saying you need two hands free, so I'd say that makes splash weapons fit solidly in the "one-handed weapon" category.

Which means, assuming you started the round with one in each hand, you'd be at -4/-4 to-hit if you threw both as a full attack.

[Ornery Hobbit]

Zwordsman wrote:

nope. It's still one item at a time with a move action. Since that retrieval action specifies pulling an item out and not items.

It even takes a move action to open your HH to pull out chalk.

you could ask your gm to allow it though.

OK, but normally the HH is on a persons back and unopened. Hence my question. Basic comparable would be grabbing two items out of an open box in front of you.

but understood :)

[Ornery Hobbit]

Nefreet wrote:

There are no rules saying to treat them as light, and there are no rules saying you need two hands free, so I'd say that makes splash weapons fit solidly in the "one-handed weapon" category.

Which means, assuming you started the round with one in each hand, you'd be at -4/-4 to-hit if you threw both as a full attack.

Not worried too much about the -4/-4 tbh, more worried about being able to consistently throw two items a round (it's all about Goblin battlefield control) :)

[Zwordsman]

Ornery Hobbit wrote:

Zwordsman wrote:

nope. It's still one item at a time with a move action. Since that retrieval action specifies pulling an item out and not items.

It even takes a move action to open your HH to pull out chalk.

you could ask your gm to allow it though.

OK, but normally the HH is on a persons back and unopened. Hence my question. Basic comparable would be grabbing two items out of an open box in front of you.

but understood :)

The issue with that is pathfinder tends to accept standards, such as on the back and closed as per the item description. So any alterations and such are gm territory. Similar to an enchanted weapon . you'd think the whole thing is enchanted but (generally accepted by most) if you smack with the hilt then usually you'll have to roll improvised weapon and lose the magic enhancments. Which is weird considering the weapon as a whole is enchanted. but it's just the way pathfinder is written up. It' accepts generalized ideas and then allow GM's to alter as they wish. As such I've had GM's allow me to apply all enchantments just penalty (as i attack via improvised weapon) and i've had some who didn't allow any benefits

Also considering the sizes of the bags I think it would get in the way of throwing a lot. HH aren't very small and all

[Ornery Hobbit]

Zwordsman wrote:

Ornery Hobbit wrote:

Zwordsman wrote:

nope. It's still one item at a time with a move action. Since that retrieval action specifies pulling an item out and not items.

It even takes a move action to open your HH to pull out chalk.

you could ask your gm to allow it though.

OK, but normally the HH is on a persons back and unopened. Hence my question. Basic comparable would be grabbing two items out of an open box in front of you.

but understood :)

The issue with that is pathfinder tends to accept standards, such as on the back and closed as per the item description. So any alterations and such are gm territory. Similar to an enchanted weapon . you'd think the whole thing is enchanted but (generally accepted by most) if you smack with the hilt then usually you'll have to roll improvised weapon and lose the magic enhancments. Which is weird considering the weapon as a whole is enchanted. but it's just the way pathfinder is written up. It' accepts generalized ideas and then allow GM's to alter as they wish. As such I've had GM's allow me to apply all enchantments just penalty (as i attack via improvised weapon) and i've had some who didn't allow any benefits

Also considering the sizes of the bags I think it would get in the way of throwing a lot. HH aren't very small and all

Think Master Blaster only back to back :)