Can alchemist use wands or scrolls for the Extracts they know?

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Can alchemist use scrolls or wands for the Extracts they know without using UMD?

[Claxon]

I don't think so, but I'm not 100%.

There is a distinction that that alchemist don't cast spells, so I'm not sure they qualify to use spell completion or spell trigger items as they don't know anything about casting spells.

[thejeff]

prd wrote:

An alchemist can utilize spell-trigger items if the spell appears on his formulae list, but not spell-completion items (unless he uses Use Magic Device to do so).

Wands, but not scrolls.

[Wheldrake]

Nope. No wands without UMD:

prd wrote:

Spell Trigger: Spell trigger activation is similar to spell completion, but it's even simpler. No gestures or spell finishing is needed, just a special knowledge of spellcasting that an appropriate character would know, and a single word that must be spoken. Spell trigger items can be used by anyone whose class can cast the corresponding spell. This is the case even for a character who can't actually cast spells, such as a 3rd-level paladin.

Alchemists don't cast spells and don't have a special knowledge of spellcasting, so no wands.

Scrolls can only be used to scribe the spell into their formula book, and only if said spell is on their list of formulae.

[Orfamay Quest]

Wheldrake wrote:

Nope. No wands without UMD:

prd wrote:

Spell Trigger: Spell trigger activation is similar to spell completion, but it's even simpler. No gestures or spell finishing is needed, just a special knowledge of spellcasting that an appropriate character would know, and a single word that must be spoken. Spell trigger items can be used by anyone whose class can cast the corresponding spell. This is the case even for a character who can't actually cast spells, such as a 3rd-level paladin.

Alchemists don't cast spells and don't have a special knowledge of spellcasting, so no wands.

Not true. See thejeff's post.

[thejeff]

Wheldrake wrote:

Nope. No wands without UMD:

prd wrote:

Spell Trigger: Spell trigger activation is similar to spell completion, but it's even simpler. No gestures or spell finishing is needed, just a special knowledge of spellcasting that an appropriate character would know, and a single word that must be spoken. Spell trigger items can be used by anyone whose class can cast the corresponding spell. This is the case even for a character who can't actually cast spells, such as a 3rd-level paladin.

Alchemists don't cast spells and don't have a special knowledge of spellcasting, so no wands.

Scrolls can only be used to scribe the spell into their formula book, and only if said spell is on their list of formulae.

Overridden by the text in the Alchemist class description, specifically saying they can use spell trigger items.

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An alchemist can utilize spell-trigger items if the spell appears on his formulae list, but not spell-completion items (unless he uses Use Magic Device to do so).