PFS: Request to Clarify "Weapon Master" Ability for Belkzen War Drummer


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The Belkzen War Drummer from Advanced Class Origins is currently legal for play, with no adjustments noted on the additional resources page. However, the 7th-level power "Weapon Master" trades Lore Master for the Craft Magic Arms and Armor feat.

As crafting feats are not legal in PFS, to my understanding the War Drummer currently trades Lore Master away for nothing in return.

I would appreciate a clarification as to whether the Lore Master class feature could be retained, or if a more appropriate (read: legal) bonus feat could be provided by the class feature in PFS instead.

Thanks!

Paizo Employee 4/5 Developer

I am inclined to provide a replacement feat, as re-introducing the lore master ability would open the archetype up to being combined with other archetypes that might never have been intended.

I could see Weapon Focus (club or greatclub) as an option. Skill Focus (percussion) could also work well. The Pathfinder Society adaptation of the skald already grants Extra Performance instead of Scribe Scroll, so that's not a good option. Are there other thematic candidates with minimal prerequisites worth considering?

2/5

Appreciate the quick response!

This archetype does trade Scribe Scroll so therefore already lost access to Extra Performance, and their Siege Drums ability does ask for a lot of rounds of performance.

Alternatively Weapon Focus: Club or Greatclub would be solid; I might venture that Improved Sunder would be a very thematic candidate with minimal prereqs.

Scarab Sages

Dazzling display(club or greatclub) seems to me like it would be a fairly thematic feat for a skald. Does require weapon focus though.

The Concordance 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 *****

I second Exguardi's thoughts (including the appreciation for the response - I'm already eying making one of these!)

2/5

Rock on, Rock Lord. The money teleported out of my pocket when I read this archetype in ACG Origins.

Verdant Wheel 4/5

Mr. Compton, the War Drummer loses Scribe Scrolls, so Extra Perfomance still is a option.

5/5

I think weapon focus Great Club is a solid except that it comes a bit late. Most people prefer to take those feats early from what i have seen. I personally wouldn't mind seeing skill focus percussion, intimidate, ect...

I know that they don't meed the prereqs but weapon specialization would be very thematically appropriate and more fitting for a level 7 ability.

I also will not snub extra performance.

You could also make it grant a free masterpiece. There are several that use percussion I think.

Silver Crusade 4/5 5/55/55/5 RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8

Since the archetype loses Scribe Scroll (I'm taking the word of other posters as I don't currently have access to my book) I think that Extra Performance is an excellent choice to replace Craft Magic Arms and Armor.

2/5

My concern about getting Extra Performance is that by the level this feature is gained, the Skald isn't really lacking in Bardic Performance rounds. Also, as noted, they're not really lacking in to-hit bonuses such as Weapon Focus would provide.

Weapon Specialization is a good thought, but the War Drummer already gets something similar to that with their scaling bonus to damage with clubs and great clubs.

I suggested Improved Sunder because it fits thematically with the class, as well as providing some extra options for using the class's primary weapon type (with a prerequisite that any class concerned with smashing people with clubs will have).

I think Battle Cry would be a very cool 7th-level ability, although the performance prereqs don't quite sync up I do picture these drummers chanting war cries while striking their drums with oversized clubs. Very Lord of the Rings.

The Concordance 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 *****

Ooh! I hadn't thought of Battle Cry - that one would fit *very* well with this class, thematically!

Verdant Wheel 4/5

Maybe Two Weapon Fighting. Drummers are notorious for their ambidexterity.

Scarab Sages

Vital Strike night work. It has the same relative prerequisites as Craft Magic Arms and Armor, it's thematic with the club focus, and would open up Furious Finish.

Paizo Employee 4/5 Developer

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Although Battle Cry and Dazzling Display are both really cool feats for a wardrummer, I think the prerequisites for both are a little too heavy for a bonus feat—even one that the skald would have just enough BAB to qualify for at that level. I also agree with Mahtobedis's perspective that Weapon Focus at 7th level is a little late in the game to receive such a feat.

Others are correct in pointing out that without having received Scribe Scroll in the first place, Extra Performance is still an option. It would also show up at the same time as the very performance-thirsty siege drums class ability.

Tentative Additional Resources text wrote:
Skalds with the Belkzen war drummer archetype receive their choice of Extra Performance, Skill Focus (Perform [percussion]), or Weapon Focus (club or greatclub) at 7th level instead of Craft Magic Arms and Armor.

I'm thinking that even though all of these feats have minimal prerequisites (helping to meet that design goal), the flexibility of choosing one of three thematic choices gives nearly every war drummer something that he can appreciate and outweighs the comparably low power of the feats at 7th level.

Shadow Lodge 4/5 ****

The choice of all 3 seems like an awesome compromise.

The Concordance 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 *****

Agreed!

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2/5

Sounds good to me!

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/5

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John Compton wrote:
Tentative Additional Resources text wrote:
Skalds with the Belkzen war drummer archetype receive their choice of Extra Performance, Skill Focus (Perform [percussion]), or Weapon Focus (club or greatclub) at 7th level instead of Craft Magic Arms and Armor.

Looks good! Personally I'd split the last choice out to 'Weapon Focus (club) or Weapon Focus (greatclub)' to avoid anyone thinking they get both.

5/5

I am probably going to end up doing a reason at that level. Unless I take the skill focus. Bit still looks like a reasonable exchange.

Dark Archive 3/5

John, have you came to an answer for this one yet?

If not I suggest the extra performance. It is the typical type of feat used in this form of replacement.

Grand Lodge

Is this officially answered?

Paizo Employee 4/5 Developer

blackbloodtroll wrote:
Is this officially answered?

In tomorrow's Additional Resources update, actually!

Grand Lodge

Rock on!

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