The Trident is a one handed piercing weapon so does it receive weapon finesse from swashbuckler finesse or since it grants the feat does it not work with trident? Essentially is it treated like weapon finesse for all weapons called out or is it actual weapon finesse?
Also any tips for a cool swashbuckler undine build would be good too.
Trident works, Swashbuckler Finesse works on all light or one-handed piercing melee weapons.
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Trident works for swashbuckler's finesse. Unfortunately, you cannot get dex to damage with it (outside of mythic) because it's still not a valid weapon for the agile enchantment being one handed, and it's piercing and not a rapier, so no Slashing Grace or Fencing Grace.
It's also not a particularly good weapon for Swashbucklers, because your panache regeneration is tied to crits.
If you like flavor over optimization though, it's useable.
Awesome info guys thanks. It's true that you won't crit very often but you can still get panache from slaying opponents. Someone was talking about undine on another thread and I just thought "hey they get +2 to dex and trident is a piercing weapon why not a swashbuckler for under the waves?" Not very optimal but it could be fun. Swashbuckler gets swim and can add their d6 from derring-do to it so there is some cross.
Maybe some dipping?
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Actually, I just though of a way you can get Dex to damage with the Trident: the Whirling Dervish archetype in Advanced Class Origins. It gains Dervish Dance with all weapons that use Swashbuckler's Finesse at 4th level.
It might be worthwhile investing in a merciful trident though.
Neat thanks for the info!
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Swashbucklers aren't nearly as dependent on Dex->damage as many people seem to assume. Granted, when your race has a Str penalty and a Dex bonus it WOULD be nice... but with an array of Str 14 Dex 16 Con 12 Int 10 Wis 10 Cha 16 you'll be more than fine without it. My human swash has almost the same array but 8 Wis (20 point buy) and he's dealing out tons of damage. Just make sure to take Power Attack and you're good.
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You are trained in using your agility in melee combat, as opposed to brute strength.
Benefit: With a light weapon, elven curve blade, rapier, whip, or spiked chain made for a creature of your size category, you may use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls. If you carry a shield, its armor check penalty applies to your attack rolls.
Special: Natural weapons are considered light weapons.
No small Tridents.
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Fighter's Fork is the way to go, as Godferret posted. Good find!
Also, you may want to consider the whole Aldori PrC and feats... the main one being this:
Aldori Dueling Mastery (Combat)
You have mastered the grueling fighting style perfected by
the Aldori Swordlords.
Prerequisites: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Aldori
dueling sword), Quick Draw, Weapon Finesse, Weapon
Focus (Aldori dueling sword).
Benefit: You gain a +2 bonus on Initiative checks as long
as you start combat with an Aldori dueling sword in your
hand. As long as you wield only a single Aldori dueling
sword in one hand, you gain a +2 shield bonus to your AC—if
you wield the sword in two hands, this bonus drops to a +1
shield bonus to AC. Although the dueling sword inf licts
slashing damage, you treat it as if it were also a piercing
weapon when determining the effects of weapons used by
a duelist.
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Well, with very recent confirmation, I am going to now suggest the Whirling Dervish, as it will allow for dex to damage, with a Trident.
I cannot currently think of a cooler way to do this.
On a related note, I wasn't planning on making a swashbuckler, but with whirling dervish giving Dex to damage with everything, I am going to have to make one using a Morning Star now.
Bludgeoner negates the need for a merciful weapon, combine it with enforcer, and maybe a multiclass into slayer for sneak attack and Sap Master.
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On a related note, I wasn't planning on making a swashbuckler, but with whirling dervish giving Dex to damage with everything, I am going to have to make one using a Morning Star now.
Bludgeoner negates the need for a merciful weapon, combine it with enforcer, and maybe a multiclass into slayer for sneak attack and Sap Master.
It'd probably be easier to grab the Blade of Mercy trait than the Bludgeoner feat, and then use a dwarven maulaxe. Plus you get +1 trait bonus damage
Both Blade of Mercy & Sap Master should work whether you use B or S with the maulaxe.
Benefit: Whenever you use a bludgeoning weapon to deal nonlethal sneak attack damage to a flat-footed opponent, roll your sneak attack dice twice, totaling the results as your nonlethal sneak attack damage for that attack.
Benefit When striking to inflict nonlethal damage with any slashing weapon, you do not take the normal –4 penalty on your attack roll, and gain a +1 trait bonus to any nonlethal damage you inflict with a slashing weapon.
In neither case does it specify the type of damage you have to inflict - only the type of weapon. The dwarven maulaxe is both.
While you're at it - you might as well stack Enforcer with Shatter Defenses. :P (All together it's pretty feat intensive though.)
What I'm wondering is can you use the versatile weapon feat to qualify a trident for slashing grace. Mostly I just don't like the non-lethal part of whirling dervish. If I can't use Versatile weapon in the way I described I'll probably just deal with normal swashbuckler and the fact that they get level to damage anyway.