SinBlade06
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Greater Mercy:
Your mercy has incredible recuperative properties.
Prerequisites: Cha 13, lay on hands class feature, mercy class feature.
Benefit: When you use your lay on hands ability and the target of that ability does not have any conditions your mercies can remove, it instead heals an additional +1d6 points of damage.
This raises a couple of questions to me regarding the effects of Greater Mercy upon Undead.
Does the extra d6 of healing come into effect if Lay On Hands is used as a Melee Touch Attack?
And that raises a question regarding the Mercies themselves.
Say your Paladin choses the condition Staggered. What if the creature you are going to use your Lay On Hands ability on has the Staggered condition, like if it was a zombie? Does the Zombie no longer have the staggered condition? Does it take extra damage? Or does it revert to the standard damage of the Lay On Hands for that level?
And what about other conditions? Nothing says that when you use your Lay on Hands ability the Mercy is suppressed. What if you use Lay on Hands and you relieve an enemy of a condition instilled by an ally or something? IT would be funny to see in character, but the question still stands.
Does your Mercy and/or Greater Mercy have any extra effects when used offensively instead of defensively?
| OldSkoolRPG |
Paizo PRD wrote:Greater Mercy:
Your mercy has incredible recuperative properties.
Prerequisites: Cha 13, lay on hands class feature, mercy class feature.
Benefit: When you use your lay on hands ability and the target of that ability does not have any conditions your mercies can remove, it instead heals an additional +1d6 points of damage.
This raises a couple of questions to me regarding the effects of Greater Mercy upon Undead.
Does the extra d6 of healing come into effect if Lay On Hands is used as a Melee Touch Attack?
And that raises a question regarding the Mercies themselves.
Say your Paladin choses the condition Staggered. What if the creature you are going to use your Lay On Hands ability on has the Staggered condition, like if it was a zombie? Does the Zombie no longer have the staggered condition? Does it take extra damage? Or does it revert to the standard damage of the Lay On Hands for that level?
And what about other conditions? Nothing says that when you use your Lay on Hands ability the Mercy is suppressed. What if you use Lay on Hands and you relieve an enemy of a condition instilled by an ally or something? IT would be funny to see in character, but the question still stands.
Does your Mercy and/or Greater Mercy have any extra effects when used offensively instead of defensively?
Using LOH for healing/mercies and for harming undead are two separate effects. You can:
1) Heal someone and grant the attached mercies or with Greater Mercy heal more.
or as an alternative you can:
2) Harm undead with a touch attack that doesn't provoke.
| Bjørn Røyrvik |
Don't know the rules but I would rule:
1. sure. let those pallies use their feat
2. Creatures whose natural state is staggered cannot have it removed by LoH. Even if they could, LoH would not help undead. It's positive energy and that harms undead. The same thing applies to other status effects removed by mercies.
3. Sure you can use LoH and mercies on living enemies. Why shouldn't you be able to?
4. I can't imagine what that would be. LoH used offensively only works against the other side of the living/undead divide, so see pt. 2.
anthonydido
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This is the rules forum not the homebrew forum so please stick to actual rules and not how you would run it.
Here is what the Mercy class feature says (bolded mine):
Mercy (Su): At 3rd level, and every three levels thereafter, a paladin can select one mercy. Each mercy adds an effect to the paladin's lay on hands ability. Whenever the paladin uses lay on hands to heal damage to one target, the target also receives the additional effects from all of the mercies possessed by the paladin. A mercy can remove a condition caused by a curse, disease, or poison without curing the affliction. Such conditions return after 1 hour unless the mercy actually removes the affliction that causes the condition.
It specifically calls out healing so any mercies a paladin has cannot be used when using LoH offensively.