So, my home group just started RotRL last Friday.
We have:
1/2 elf Syn Summoner (melee)
elf ranger (archer)
1/2 Orc Scarred Witch doctor (caster)
Aasimar Life Oracle (healer)
Aasimar Oracle (melee)
and my character is 1/2 elf drow-blooded Rogue (melee)
This is my advancement plan: Rogue 4/ Alchemist [Vivisectionist] x
Str 18 (10,+2) Dex 15 (7) Con 12 (2) Int 14 (5) Wis 10 Cha 7 (-4)
Traits: bruising intellect, surprise weapon
Rogue1 1. Catch off guard
Rogue2 2. TWF (combat talent)
Alchemist1 3. Extra Rogue Talent (offense/defense)
Rogue3 4. --
Rogue4 5. Bludgeoner, Enforcer (Ninja trick)
Alch2 6. preserve organs (discovery)
Alch3 7. Sap adept
At 7th: +10/+10 umbrella/ books (1d6+4+4d6+8)x2 plus shaken and grants +8 dodge bonus to my AC.
I thought it funny--and cool--to use an umbrella and maybe a satchel with his books as his improvised weapons.
I wanted a fun, but deadly melee build. Any suggestions?
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You're probably right.
I thought to take Preserve organs 3 times,
but his AC should be high enough that crits--probably--won't be confirmed anyway.
Also, a good defense is a great offense!
As long as you're using improvised weapons and two-weapon fighting, you might want to get the vestigial arm or feral mutagen discovery to get extra attacks.
don't get vestigial arms, they don't do much. at best you can use one to hold a shield for you.
feral mutagen is fine though.
I am trying to stay away from beasting out with feral mutagen.
I picture him as a cross between Jaraxle and Dr. Who.
Hence, the umbrella as an improvised weapon.
I wonder if I can use it as a double weapon two-handed?
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Try investigator? If you want the Doctor who feel.
Will be honest...most fights are going to be lethal...and against strong creatures such as giants, outsiders, undead, and dragons. Hence the feat big game hunter.
I feel your current build lacks BaB needed to two weapon fight with improvised weapons. I recommend 1 weapon.
Investigator should be the class for this build, I agree, but it doesn't do as much damage.
Only creatures immune to nonlethal--undead and constructs--will give me a--slight--problem, but my damage is still decent there.
I do understand the Big Game Hunter is +1 hit +2 damage against larger opponents and I definitely like that feat.
I just need to find room for it, probably not until 9th at the earliest instead of Power Attack at that point.
And this is why I went with this, along with using Catch off guard.
Both for flavor and functionality...lol!
You are skilled at fighting with objects not traditionally considered weapons.
Benefit: You gain a +2 trait bonus on attack rolls with improvised weapons.
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I appreciate your responses. TY!
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Yes take big game hunter instead of power attack. For several reasons...your BaB with the multiclassing, your main goal is precision damage, and your not 2 handing the weapon.
I would recommend against 2WF altogether. Its hard enough to accomplish on a rogue but if you dip into a lower then Full BaB class your further reducing your chance to hit. Going to be honest...RotRL has brutal combats with big AC. We had a 2wf rogue in our group. I remember him saying its near impossible for me to hit. And against undead and constructs...a few mini boss fights he just was sidelined. He also fell prone to ever will save and fear save. He will never play a rogue again since. He perfers straight viv alchemist or the investgator as his rogue types.
Also another reason I dislike non l eathal for RotRL is because everything will be so evil you will want to kill them. Also the ones who heal cure for more and you really dont need to tak e too many people alive other than early part 1 book 1.
The trait breaks even with TWF and i need as many sneak dice as possible for Offense/defense.
I am actually averaging more by going TWF over THF.
I am appreciating the feedback. TY!
Offensive defense, btw is VERY ify on how it works. you can't get a bonus from the same source, and so multiple rolls(attacks) don't by RAW stack, meaning TWF doesn't really help you. you only ever get your sneak attack dice in AC bonus.
not to mention how hard it is to actually get a full attack sneak attack off. all he has to do is 5 foot step each round if your flanking.
i recommend going something more offensive, and less rogue class.
Offensive Defense (Ex)
Benefit: When a rogue with this talent hits a creature with a melee attack that deals sneak attack damage,
the rogue gains a +1 dodge bonus to AC for each sneak attack die rolled for one round.
My bolding. I read this as each attack (TWF) and each die rolled.
So, at 7th level with TWF, I would have 4d6 dice for each attack.
Meaning +8 dodge bonus to AC. With dodge bonuses stacking, as usual.
I'm bringing the Rogue back!
Offensive Defense (Ex)
Benefit: When a rogue with this talent hits a creature with a melee attack that deals sneak attack damage,
the rogue gains a +1 dodge bonus to AC for each sneak attack die rolled for one round.My bolding. I read this as each attack (TWF) and each die rolled.
So, at 7th level with TWF, I would have 4d6 dice for each attack.
Meaning +8 dodge bonus to AC. With dodge bonuses stacking, as usual.I'm bringing the Rogue back!
so yeah, when you do your first sneak attack you gain 4 dodge AC, your TWF attack hits, and you gain another +4 dodge from the same source. it doesn't bump to +8, because it's two different procs of the same ability.
when i meant ify, i meant ify, it really depends on how the GM reads it. and how he rules stacking from the same source.
edit: i'm not actually sure after some thought, if the same source thing is a rule, i'll comment again later if i find anything.
yeah, okay i'm thinking of untyped bonuses, though the major issue once again is actually getting those hit's off(maybe a dirty trick build to force people to stay where they are or lose all their actions?).
I do understand the difficulties of getting more than 1 attack off,
but I think any build would have that problem.
And with 4 melee characters in this group,
me getting a flank is almost easy...lol!
Although, using Catch off guard, I may need to start every fight...lol!
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Sounds like you've chosen to give yourself a challenge. Good on you! RotRL beasties tend to have very tough AC, lots of HP, big, and very very no-quarter-asked-or-given nasty. Looks like a fun time!
Suggestion: In the event that someone in this party dies, consider a replacement character with Inspire Courage, aka Bardsong.
Using The Forge of Combat metaphor:
Arm = Support & Healing
Hammer = Inflict HP damage
Anvil = Battlefield Control
The group is composed of:
Syn. Summoner (melee) -> Hammer
ranger (archer) -> Hammer
Scarred Witch doctor (caster) -> Anvil
Aasimar Life Oracle (healer) -> Arm
Aasimar Oracle (melee) -> Hammer
Rogue (melee) -> Hammer
Group seems to have 4 Hammers, 1 Anvil, and 1 Arm. Group is well balanced. With 4 Hammers a Bard would be a terrific addition.
wait is that true magda? O.O
i am currently playing RotRL atm and our DM thinks they arent strong enough, we are still early on but the bossfights and even some of the normal encounters have been BRUTAL sometimes.
wait is that true magda? O.O
i am currently playing RotRL atm and our DM thinks they arent strong enough, we are still early on but the bossfights and even some of the normal encounters have been BRUTAL sometimes. ** spoiler omitted **
my party got lucky and he failed his acrobatic roll and go knocked prone in the middle of the party. :P it was hillarious
I agree, Magda Luckbender, I also think that we are well covered for our basics.
I agree that a Bard would be great.
I am hoping that it won't be me rolling one up later...lol!
Thank you everyone for the feedback.
a skald would probably be good as well
Not dead yet!
I do understand the difficulties of getting more than 1 attack off,
but I think any build would have that problem.And with 4 melee characters in this group,
me getting a flank is almost easy...lol!Although, using Catch off guard, I may need to start every fight...lol!
it's getting a full attack with sneak attack, any given combination of 3 partners can be defeated by a 5 foot step(except i think 4 corners aroudn a guy), meaning you need to reposition (more than 5 feet yourself) to get the sneak attack.
although you COULD delay i guess and have your ally move if he is still in range.
I decided to go Alchemist[Trap breaker/ Vivisectionist] all the way.
I really don't like to multiclass.
And I absolutely love that class.
1. TWF
2. Tumor familiar (discovery)
3. Bludgeoning
4. discovery ( Enhance potion ?)
5. Sap adept
6. discovery ( preserve organs both times?)
7. Weapon focus (quarter staff) or Power Attack?
I have the day off Friday, so I will work out the bugs...lol!