Why does the Sacred Huntsmaster exist?

[Slacker2010]

Why does the Sacred Huntsmaster exist? I personally feel it trivializes the hunter class. You get everything good in hunter and domain with Inquisitor abilities. Only downside is the delayed Animal Focus, which you still get.

Am I missing something?

[Eltacolibre]

Why does Daring Champion exists? It trivializes the Swashbuckler.

Brawler (Fighter) is a better Monk than the monk.

Just having a wild guess that they have different people designing archetypes and classes. With widely different result of successes. You just play whatever flavor you like best at the end of the day.

[Gingerbreadman]

The difference is that the hunter is a good class without the sacred huntmaster. The swashbuckler is not a good class without the daring champion. (imo)

[Onyxlion]

Hunter has a better spell list for supporting you and your animal companion. Hunter also has the primal companion archetype.

[Slacker2010]

primal companion archetype is not legal for PFS. Also, an Archetype of another class should not outclass a base class at what it is supposed to do. I would feel better if the Sacred Huntsman got the regular animal companion that a druid gets.

[Onyxlion]

I can't help pazio bans some of there better stuff, (insert snide comment about it).

As for an archetype being better than the parent, well I don't think it should be worse either.

I think both show how good a class can be that's not a 9th-level caster. Now if we could just get some 4th-levels and marshals up to this level. Brawler is a hood start.

[LazarX]

The Hunter has the most powerful AC of any base class. In addition thanks to animal focus and teamwork feat swappage, she has the most versatile one as well.

[Michael Sayre]

Slacker2010 wrote:

primal companion archetype is not legal for PFS. Also, an Archetype of another class should not outclass a base class at what it is supposed to do. I would feel better if the Sacred Huntsman got the regular animal companion that a druid gets.

Agreed. The Sacred Huntsmaster could have still used the Animal Companion to proc his Solo Tactics ability and get good use out of his feats, giving him Focuses and the full Hunter pet (the defining feature of the Hunter class) was not a good design choice. It just kind of goes to show that the guy who wrote the SH archetype didn't really have any respect (or possibly current working knowledge given the class' evolution in playtest) for the base Hunter class.

[swoosh]

Saying they "Didn't have any respect" for the class because they did the same thing they did with every other archetype in the book is hilariously melodramatic.

It exists because someone thought an inquisitor with a pet would be a cool idea. Full stop.

Nevermind the fact that the two aren't that different in power, and the existence of the latter doesn't preclude the former, especially since the exist in different thematic design space.

Frankly if you're gonna complain about anything, complain about getting a bargain basement summoner rather than a real class.

[Onyxlion]

Well the way I see it is the summoner, sacred huntsman, and the hunter are all similar yet differently focused. Summoner is Pet(main) and PC(secondary). Hunter is both equal and determinant on each other. Sacred huntsman is PC(main) and Pet secondary) w/ some determinant qualities.

Summoners spell list is mainly about buffing the pet. Hunter's spell list is about buffing both. Sacred huntsman's spell list is skewed more towards benefiting the PC.