| Sarrah |
Cleric - Animal Domain: Speak with Animals is a level 3 bard spell, level 1 druid and ranger spell.
According to the FAQ, Speak with Animals is a divine spell because it is being cast from a divine spell casting class. However, the current faqs do not specify whether this SLA is cast as a level 1 spell, a level 3 spell, or both a level 1 and level 3 spell (caster level = cleric level).
Does anyone know what spell level(s) Speak with Animals SLA from the Cleric domain is cast as?
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http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qow
• Spell-Like Abilities, Casting, and Prerequisites: Does a creature with a spell-like ability count as being able to cast that spell for the purpose of prerequisites or requirements?
“Yes.
For example, the Dimensional Agility feat (Ultimate Combat) has "ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door" as a prerequisite; a barghest has dimension door as a spell-like ability, so the barghest meets the "able to cast dimension door prerequisite for that feat.
Edit 7/12/13: The design team is aware that the above answer means that certain races can gain access to some spellcaster prestige classes earlier than the default minimum (character level 6). Given that prestige classes are usually a sub-optimal character choice (especially for spellcasters), the design team is allowing this FAQ ruling for prestige classes. If there is in-play evidence that this ruling is creating characters that are too powerful, the design team may revisit whether or not to allow spell-like abilities to count for prestige class requirements.”
• Spell-Like Abilities: How do I know whether a spell-like ability is arcane or divine?
The universal monster rules for spell-like abilities states: "Some spell-like abilities duplicate spells that work differently when cast by characters of different classes. A monster's spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order."
For spell-like abilities gained from a creature's race or type (including PC races), the same rule should apply: the creature's spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order.
For spell-like abilities gained from a class, use the spell type (arcane or divine) of that class to determine whether the spell-like ability is arcane or divine. If the class doesn't cast spells, use the above rule for spell-like abilities from race or type.
Edit 7/15/13: Wording changed match the precedent in the universal monster rules for spell-like abilities.
Edit 9/23/13: Wording updated to clarify racial/type SLAs vs. class SLAs.
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pxt5&page=2?Qualifying-for-PrCs-using-spel llike-abilities#70
• Pathfinder Design Team Official Rules Response
The design team does not consider a prerequisite or requirement of "ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells" to literally mean "ability to cast at least two or more 1st-level arcane spells."
Being able to cast one spell of that type and level meets the prerequisite or requirement (if the prerequisite or requirement was intended to mean "two or more," it would say that, or use language like "at least two").
| Jeraa |
From your own post:
• Spell-Like Abilities: How do I know whether a spell-like ability is arcane or divine?
The universal monster rules for spell-like abilities states: "Some spell-like abilities duplicate spells that work differently when cast by characters of different classes. A monster's spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order."
For spell-like abilities gained from a creature's race or type (including PC races), the same rule should apply: the creature's spell-like abilities are presumed to be the sorcerer/wizard versions. If the spell in question is not a sorcerer/wizard spell, then default to cleric, druid, bard, paladin, and ranger, in that order.
For spell-like abilities gained from a class, use the spell type (arcane or divine) of that class to determine whether the spell-like ability is arcane or divine. If the class doesn't cast spells, use the above rule for spell-like abilities from race or type.
Edit 7/15/13: Wording changed match the precedent in the universal monster rules for spell-like abilities.
Edit 9/23/13: Wording updated to clarify racial/type SLAs vs. class SLAs.
Speak with Animals is not a wizard/sorcerer spell.
It is also not a cleric spell.It is however a druid spell, so it works as the druid spell. Therefore, it is a 1st level divine spell-like ability.
Fromper
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When a spell-like ability isn't based on a spell, the way to determine its spell level for things like concentration checks is that it's the highest spell level you can cast at the time you gain the ability. So all 1st level cleric domain abilities are treated as 1st level spells.
Cleric domains, sorcerer bloodlines, wizard schools, and certain other class features give spell-like abilities that aren't based on spells. What's the effective spell level for these abilities?
The effective spell level for these spell-like abilities is equal to the highest-level spell that a character of that class could normally cast at the level the ability is gained.
For example, a 1st-level elemental bloodline sorcerer has elemental ray as a spell-like ability. Because a sorcerer 1's highest-level spell available is 1st, that spell-like ability counts as a 1st-level spell. A 9th-level elemental bloodline sorcerer has elemental blast as a spell-like ability. Because a sorcerer 9's highest-level spell available is 4th, that spell-like ability counts as a 4th-level spell.
| Sarrah |
@Jeraa - I was thinking that was probably the case, but wasn't 100% sure.
"For spell-like abilities gained from a class, use the spell type (arcane or divine) of that class to determine whether the spell-like ability is arcane or divine. If the class doesn't cast spells, use the above rule for spell-like abilities from race or type."
Clerics cast spells, so therefore the SLA is divine. It only says to use the monster rule if the SLA comes from monster races, from normal races, and from classes without spellcasting ability. It does not say to use the monster rule from classes with spellcasting ability. Likely the answer is still Level 1 SLA, but I'm not 100% sure.
@Fromper - thank you for finding and posting the FAQ regarding 90% of the domains, however
Animal Domain:
Speak with Animals (Sp): You can speak with animals, as per the spell, for a number of rounds per day equal to 3 + your cleric level.
| Sarrah |
With the same logic that people on the forums use for getting into Mystic Theurge early, Exploration (subdomain of travel) clairvoyance is a L3 divine SLA allowing early access to several prestige classes and feats.
In my current campaign, I'm trying a really different healer build. I'll tell you about in a couple weeks if it is decent.