Arcanist metamixing and magical lineage


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readinding magican lineage it says that whenever you add metamagic to a spell tou reduce its final level by 1, so as an arcanist i apply the when. i prepare the spell to make toppling magic missle a first level spell, but if when casting i use metamixing exploit to add say empowered(a 2 level adjustment) to the spell would i get the rrduction again since its a seperate occasion of adding metamagic making it a 2nd level spell slot? or can magical lineage only reduce it once for some wierd reason or ruling i cant find?


Magical Lineage refers to the final level. This means you add up all the adjustments to the spell level, then reduce that final level by one.

As such, you only get the Magical Lineage reduction once. So in your example, you would have a Spell Level 3 Empowered Toppling Magic Missile.


Even considering that i "add up all the adjustments" to determine what level i prepare it at and then again while actually casting? the way arcanists cast i need to have a final level for 2 seperate cases.


Final Adjusted Spell Level = F
Magical Lineage = L = -1
Spell Level = X
All Metamagic Modifiers Used = M{all}

F = X + M{all} + L [do not add L if (M{all} + X) = X]


Mwangi Inquisitor wrote:

Final Adjusted Spell Level = F

Magical Lineage = L = -1
Spell Level = X
All Metamagic Modifiers Used = M{all}

F = X + M{all} + L [do not add L if (M{all} + X) = X]

This says nothing.... the wording suggests it should be reduced again considering they are added on seperate occasions. im asking if there is any rulingor paizo prexedwnt to the oposite of how it reads?

Lantern Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

I haven't got a link, but I concur with Mwangi Inquisitor; Magical Lineage applies a -1 adjustment to the final level of the spell, not per application of metamagic.

The countless threads of ML-based blasters and magi all tend to agree on that point.

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