| tomorrow |
I commented about the Ecclesitheurge with daily variable secondary domain spell lists and Scribe Scroll in another thread, but I am now scratching my head more about it. Using search-fu I found some other posts about Clerics making and using spells granted by domains:
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mzdz?Scrolls-and-Domains#14
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2meka?Cleric-domain-spells-scrolls-and-wands
The indication seems to be that despite some semantic wording over whether or not Domain spells are part of your class list for the purposes of the three conditions of activating scrolls, a Cleric with the appropriate Domain is supposed to be able to both create and use divine scrolls of that Domain. Granted there does seem to be dissenting opinions on this in general.
Ecclesitheurge seems to muddy that water even more though. Because the secondary domain spell list is variable from day to day.
So does their ability to create and use spells from this variable list also vary? (i.e. the domain spells are only part of your list when you choose to have access to them and not part of your list when you choose not to) Or can the Ecclesitheurge just scribe/use a scroll of any domain spell his deity offers... whenever? (i.e. if you have access to the Domain at anytime, for the purpose of things that require you to have one of its spells as part of your list, its there, even if inactive) Can he never scribe or use scrolls (UMD aside) from his secondary domain? (i.e. If the domain spell is not permanently added to your list at all times, its not considered part of your list at all)
Take hypothetical Sir Cleric von Clericpants is devoted God MacGod of the Clan MacGod, who has domains of Fire, Void, and Darkness.
If Sir Clericpants has Darkness as his primary domain and Fire as his secondary domain on Day 1, can he:
a) Scribe a scroll of Burning Hands? [from Fire, whose list he has today]
b) Use a scroll of Burning Hands? [from Fire, whose list he has today]
c) Scribe a scroll of Silent Image? [from Void, whose list he doesn't have today but could]
d1) Use a scroll of Silent Image? [from Void, whose list he doesn't have today but could]
d2) Does it matter if he himself scribed the scroll on Day 0 when he was using the Void domain spell list as his secondary spell list (provided that the answer to "a" indicates that he's even capable of doing so)?
| Bob Bob Bob |
a. Yes (provided they have it prepared in their domain slot, slot is expended)
b. Yes (assuming their domain spells count as on their class list, otherwise not without UMD)
c. No (must have the spell prepared and the slot is expended when doing so)
d1. Maybe (depends on whether domains not currently chosen count as on the class spell list, no clue here, probably not)
d2. Not in the slightest, to use a scroll you need it to be the right type, have it on your class spell list, and have a high enough ability score. If possible but not chosen domains aren't on the class spell list, then you can't activate it without UMD. If they are, then you can. Regardless of who scribed it.
| tomorrow |
Yeah, brain-slip on (C). Though (D) really is the crux question. I guess putting it another way:
How do Ecclesitheurge treat spells from its secondary domain list for the purposes of item creation/spell completion/spell-trigger?
1. Are all of their deity's domain spells effectively added to their class list?
2. Are none of their deity's domain spells, except the ones permanently from the primary domain spell list, added to their class list?
3. Do the spells considered added to the class list change along with the secondary domain spell list selected each day.
OR
4. The above cited threads are incorrect and domain spells are not considered part of the cleric's class spell list for the purposes of item creation/spell completion/spell-trigger.
| Bob Bob Bob |
Well, and unfortunately that's the part we don't have actual rules for. So all I can say is "DM fiat" and leave it at that.
For suggestions the three options you list are the probable outcomes, 2 seems the most likely, possibly followed by 3. The recent "spell list" FAQ just muddies the water further.