Sands of Time + Old Characters

[Akaara]

I was just wondering if it's possible if someone is playing an old character (we have a human cleric who is 67) and an enemy mage uses Sands of Time, obviously in THIS case they would be bumped up to Venerable age category, but my question is:

Can Sands of Time be used to kill a player of old age (like if they were to be cast beyond Max Age category?

[David knott 242]

The spell does not say that it does. You would normally be advanced to the next age category, but there is no age category beyond Venerable.

[Akaara]

Which is precisely why I'm confused. It goes both ways, it doesn't say it doesn't age beyond the maximum age category either :\ Beyond Venerable there's "Max Age" 70+2d20, if looking at it as a column, I'd say it's an age category, but it may not be, but either way the problem still remains.

"You temporarily age the target, immediately advancing it to the next age category. The target immediately takes the age penalties to Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution for its new age category, but does not gain the bonuses for that category. A creature whose age is unknown is treated as if the spell advances it to middle age. Ageless or immortal creatures are immune to this spell."
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Since a now-venerable cleric is not ageless or immortal, they would still be subject to the spell as per RAW. So what happens when they are aged to the 'next age category' beyond the max age category? It's a necromancy spell which is why my assumption would be 'death' but I wanted to confirm with the community on that if there were any rules about this.

EDIT:
Also I just read it a third time, since the enemy mages wouldn't actually know his age, I guess he would become younger? lol "treated as if the spell advances it to middle age" I assume that doesn't apply here.... or does not sure.

I suppose if it really comes down to it, I could just say it would lead to death as a necromancy affect, and allow them the "Save or die" roll, but it may not come to that.

[Loengrin]

As far as I know there's no rules about this... Well as a GM I will rule "Death till the spell wear off"...

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Akaara wrote:

EDIT: Also I just read it a third time, since the enemy mages wouldn't actually know his age, I guess he would become younger? lol "treated as if the spell advances it to middle age" I assume that doesn't apply here.... or does not sure.

I suppose if it really comes down to it, I could just say it would lead to death as a necromancy affect, and allow them the "Save or die" roll, but it may not come to that.

No, no, no... That's if the creature has no defined age in his stat like you encounter a random kobold no GM will define his age, name, blood type etc. so with this type of creature you put them middle aged... But if it's a well defined NPC or a PC you know their ages and you use the spell as intended...

[Akaara]

@Loengrin Ah thanks for the "unknown age" issue, but how would you do the "until the spell wears off"? lol Don't you need to be resurrected or something to come back? O.o

Either way I think I'm going with the decision that the spell could kill someone if cast enough times, however, the way battles usually go, the enemy mages will be swarmed so fast (and the cleric is going to pretty much be on standby to counterspell), and I'm not unfair as to have EVERY mage just target him :P unless he pissed me off and deserves to die >D

Thanks guys for the responses, and have my answer now ^_^

[Loengrin]

That's my point of view but the spell only temporarily age you so you enter the spell get old fall into coma then when the spell wear off you get young again and get-up...

Well that is if no one stab you in the heart while you are helpless... :p