Investigator Infiltrator Question


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Thinking of playing one of these guys in society, even though its not that useful most the time it seems pretty cool to be the master of disguise. I always wanted to play a Lion Blade of Spy Master, but the Investigator Infiltrator seems to do it without loosing as much as those classes, and still being competent in combat.

So, I'm a little confused by some of the wording on Mimic Mastery and was hoping for some clarification.

Here is the ability in question:

Mimic Mastery

At 2nd level, when an infiltrator uses disguise self or any polymorph extracts on himself, he is treated as 2 investigator levels higher for the purpose of determining the duration of that extract's effect. He can use these extracts to take the appearance of specific individuals of the type of form he chooses, gaining a +10 to Disguise checks even if that extract does not typically grant such a bonus.

I have bolded the part I am questioning.

Does that mean he gets to choose a form type, or is it still limited by the spell type? Like can he use beast shape and appear like a specific human? What about Youthful Appearance, Alter Self and Squeeze? How do they interact with the ability.

I ask mostly because disguise self is awfully limited in its duration, and alter self is nearly worthless for infiltration with a one minute per level duration. But if he can use, say, youthful appearance that gives you some actual time to be in disguise.

And by RAW it seems he gets to choose(it doesn't mention the extract choosing) which would be cool for an infiltrator type build.

Grand Lodge

Basically, you polymorph into a Human, and you can look like a specific Human.

You polymorph into a dog, and you can look like a specific dog.


Yes and No. Disguise Self normally doesn't allow you to mimic a specific person, with Mimic Mastery, you can. However, you're still limited duration of Disguise self, but cast at caster lvl +2.

If you polymorphed into a dog, you could impersonate a specific dog, down to the specific markings.

You're limited to the spells affects and durations.. Mimic Mastery just ADDS to the spells abilities for yourself.


CrazyElf wrote:

Yes and No. Disguise Self normally doesn't allow you to mimic a specific person, with Mimic Mastery, you can. However, you're still limited duration of Disguise self, but cast at caster lvl +2.

If you polymorphed into a dog, you could impersonate a specific dog, down to the specific markings.

You're limited to the spells affects and durations.. Mimic Mastery just ADDS to the spells abilities for yourself.

So if I'm human, youthful appearance and squeeze can make me appear as a specific human?

Scarab Sages

When it says "type he chooses" it means within the bounds of the spell.

So you can't use Beast Shape to take the form of a human, but you can use it to take the form of the local lord's favorite dog to infiltrate his bedroom, instead of just "generic dog".

If you use Alter Self, you get the +10 to disguise that you normally wouldn't get.

In that same way, I don't see how Youthful Appearance could make you look like someone else, same for squeeze. In neither of those spells do you get to "choose" a type to change into. So you can't get the addition of "choose a specific individual" because there's no choice to begin with.

(Though you'd get the +2 lvls to duration)

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