Hello!
Been thinking up new ideas lately, and I've come up with something.
I want to make a summoner, whose eidelon is highly trained in defense. If I am a small character, such as a newly opened up Wayang, and I give my eidelon the mount evolution, and craft in in such a way that I can "enter" it from the back, can I gain concealment since his body is techincally covering and protecting me? If not, is there a way to make this possible?
The concept is kinda like the megazord from power rangers, though thats not the actually concept I'm going for, but a good image of what I'm trying to describe. Little man, in a big body. Then I can just buff and heal him from inside safe from baddies.
Nope. There is no way to gain cover or concealment. Even the synthesis summoner does not allow you to do that, and that is about the closest you can get. You might want to look at it though, and then ask the GM if he will allow it.
Well This would be for PFS, so synthesis is outlawed. Even if I make him a large creature? Just dont' see how they can hit me if I'm literally covered by his form. They can take any shape i can conceive.
Well This would be for PFS, so synthesis is outlawed. Even if I make him a large creature? Just dont' see how they can hit me if I'm literally covered by his form. They can take any shape i can conceive.
There is no way to be covered by his form. Basically I am saying that unless you know of a special ability that I have not heard, you can not enter its body.
As for the synthesis you and the eidolon are considered to be one creature for the purpose of targeting. That is why you can not hide inside of him, and if an effect would affect either of you then it can work.
Ok, maybe I'm not making myself clear. Think of a tree. My eidelon is a tree for this purpose. The way i've fashioned him, the core of his tree, where his "chest" would be, instead has an opening in the back that i can simply crawl into, from the back. So the back would be exposed, but from the front, enemies could not strike or possibly target me. I've also added the idea that, since I am small to start with, what if I used Reduce Person, so that as a small creature, I can effective enter a medium or large creatures square? Sorry, just trying to think of something outside the box, and I think there should be a logistical way to do it, since en eidelon is a creature of complete imagination.
What about a fancy but non-magical tent like device strapped on to your Eidelon? If a kite shield gives cover to a medium humanoid, an equivalent structure should as well without weighing a ton. You could have peepholes built in and away you go. I don't know of any evolutions that would give the Eidelon a chamber for you, but this way you'd just import a relatively easy, durable, and lightish weight external covering.
I see what you mean, but creatures don't tend to have openings so most GM's would not allow it. When playing PFS it is best to not choose something that will have table variation.
Basically you get a base form with an eidolon, not any form you want. From there the only modifications you get are the evolutions, and none that I know of allow for chest cavities or anything similar.
PF also does not have facing so there is no back and front of a creature.
Like wraithstrike is saying, for PFS "outside the box" like this usually means that RAW won't support it, so your table's GM won't allow it. It's an interesting idea, and a GM in a home game might allow it, but if this were allowed it'd set a bad precedent. Halfling cavaliers will start opening up their horses like tauntauns, slipping inside, then having someone cast cure moderate.
As a general rule, cover is something granted by the environment or environmental factors (or "soft cover" in ranged combat), not by something the player is carrying around. Tower shields are an exception, but outside of those and spells you can't really do something like carry around a custom crate with an eye slat and handles on the inside and have full cover but also line of effect. Maybe in a home game, just not PFS.
I just want to buff my eidolon. Would this kite idea work ?
I just want to buff my eidolon. Would this kite idea work ?
Your idea of hiding inside of the eidolon is not rules legal, if that is what you are asking.
Stupid rules. /cry
I just want to buff my eidolon. Would this kite idea work ?
Honestly, in PFS? Probably not. The items you get are usually assumed to be basically Platonic ideals of the item. Adjusting them and customizing them is beyond RAW. PFS would be rife with people coming in having a list of all the adjustments they've made to armor or weapons or spell books or whatever that take away risks or penalties, so we just assume that a heavy wooden shield is a slab of wood without holes in it or compartments for snacks unless a rulebook gives you the option to do so and you've purchased it/enchanted it.
It seems dumb and against the spirit of the game, but for something like PFS there has to be some amount of standardization or else things will get messy, complicated, and weird for the GMs. It can already be kind of rough dealing with five or so people who you've never met, with different ideas of what their RPG is and different levels of system mastery. Adding layers of, "Well, I can screw off the bottom of my glaive to reveal a scimitar blade and then use a hinge I built into it so that I can quickly switch to my scimitar-pocket when an enemy gets adjacent" is just way too much.
The kite idea, which I am just seeing would also not work in PFS. You do not get to custom craft your own items, and decide how they work.
Yea. I've been playing pfs pretty much exclusively for 3 years. So I get the standardization of things. That's why I had the idea of my tank summoner. Even spending a few spells to make it work.
Really something as simple a cape on the critter with you underneath would work at least if it weren't pfs.
Really something as simple a cape on the critter with you underneath would work at least if it weren't pfs.
Line of sight goes both ways, then there is the issue of sharing the same space so now you have to deal with the GM, and then hope they don't use the same idea against the party if they say it works.
Looking out of a semi-transparent cape at with your eyes up close would be easy enough. Line of sight isn't the issue. If this were some over-powered killer stunt boost to the summoner then the threat of another, gasp, semi-covered caster would be in play.
RAW line of effect requires there to be nothing solid in the way. Literally nothing solid. A cape would count, because it's probably not liquid, gaseous, or made of plasma unless specifically noted in the item description. I'm generally not much of a stickler in home games about this sort of stuff, but just because you can look reeeeeeaaaaally really close at some fabric and sorta-kinda see through it doesn't mean you can start blasting dudes through a closed curtain. It's omega-cheeez, and against RAW to boot!
But you're right, LoS isn't the issue. It's LoE, which is a totally different rule.
Like I said. I'm a summoner. So I won't be blasting dudes. I just wsnt to hide and buff my eidelon while he does all the work
Line of effect also affects targeting spells such as magic missile and hold person.
This is what I'm looking for. Using reduce person, so I can literally be in the same square, gaining cover, and just casting all my buffs on the eidelon, using my HP to heal him when he gets low. It's a cowards way, but with my Wayang, I imagine that's how he'd fight.
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Many PFS GMs will give you a hard time about this. Some will be OK with it, but some won't. It's a bad idea to try a PFS character concept that expects table variance.
Consider, instead, staying invisible and flying ... It accomplishes much the same thing, but is standard enough that it won't create PFS table variance.
Like I said. I'm a summoner. So I won't be blasting dudes. I just wsnt to hide and buff my eidelon while he does all the work
The the invisible flying thing is good. But don't be able to do this until Mich later.
Like I said. I'm a summoner. So I won't be blasting dudes. I just wsnt to hide and buff my eidelon while he does all the work
The the invisible flying thing is good. But don't be able to do this until Mich later.
You could hang out invisibly on your eidelon- one spell at a lower level vs. fly+ invisibility. Buffing and ironically summoning wouldn't break your invis. condition.
For what it's worth, a cloth barrier close to your eyes does NOT screw up line of sight. Even something as simple as the cape might not be pfs approved, but one can see out of fabric. Look at those funny mascot uniforms at sports events or the over sized Mick Mouse get-ups where you don't see the guy's eyes yet they can see out perfectly.
Back to topic- You being invis. and reduced on your eidelon seems the most efficient and least hassle way to do your trick.