Rogue talent: Offensive Defensive


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Silver Crusade

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Offensive Defensive wrote:
Benefit: When a rogue with this talent hits a creature with a melee attack that deals sneak attack damage, the rogue gains a +1 dodge bonus to AC for each sneak attack die rolled for one round.

So, as you can see above, this rogue talent grants a dodge bonus to your AC whenever you hit with an attack that deals sneak attack damage. My question is, do these bonuses stack if you get multiplel attacks per round that all qualify for sneak attack?

Say I have a rogue that gets 3 natural attacks per round. At level 5 the rogue gets 3d6 sneak attack. Say all 3 attacks land. Does that rogue have +9 AC until the beginning of his next turn?

I was already planning on taking this rogue talent on the rogue I am working on, but if the bonuses stack, wow how does any rogue pass that up?

Do the dodge bonuses from Offensive Defensive stack if you land multiple attacks that qualify for sneak attack in a full attack?


I don't believe they do. Though Dodge bonuses stack they do not stack from the same source.


Where does it say that dodge bonuses from the same source don't stack?

Quote:
The important aspect of bonus types is that two bonuses of the same type don't generally stack. With the exception of dodge bonuses, most circumstance bonuses, and racial bonuses, only the better bonus of a given type works. Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source.

To me this says that dodge always stack and untyped bonus from same source don't stack.

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Chess Pwn wrote:

Where does it say that dodge bonuses from the same source don't stack?

Quote:
The important aspect of bonus types is that two bonuses of the same type don't generally stack. With the exception of dodge bonuses, most circumstance bonuses, and racial bonuses, only the better bonus of a given type works. Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source.
To me this says that dodge always stack and untyped bonus from same source don't stack.

Yes, that's how I read that as well. The "same source" thing was still my motivation for asking the question, though. I suppose I can go back and bold the question in the OP and we can FAQ it.


There's already an FAQ for this. (Also, it's "Offensive Defense", not "Offensive Defensive"... though they got it wrong in the FAQ too.)

Silver Crusade

Oladon wrote:

There's already an FAQ for this. (Also, it's "Offensive Defense", not "Offensive Defensive"... though they got it wrong in the FAQ too.)

See, but that still doesn't give a definitive answer. It says "they are leaning towards" not that they have decided and will be issuing errata on it.


It is as definitive of an answer you are going to get. They haven't issued an errata for it so the FAQ of what they are leaning towards is your best answer.
At the table I play at we would go with only getting one dodge bonus from Offensive Defense since it would multiple dodge bonuses from the same source

Silver Crusade

MeatyPulp wrote:

It is as definitive of an answer you are going to get. They haven't issued an errata for it so the FAQ of what they are leaning towards is your best answer.

At the table I play at we would go with only getting one dodge bonus from Offensive Defense since it would multiple dodge bonuses from the same source

Yes, I understand that. I guess I'm just hoping for errata to make it final. Also, as far as dodge bonuses from the same source, there's nothing in the rules saying those don't stack. Although, arguing against my own argument, I don't know of any other temporary dodge bonuses. In fact, the only dodge bonuses I know of it's only possible to get 1 time, like the one from the Dodge feat.

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