Two simple questions about RotRL


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I recently picked up the Anniversary Edition and I have noticed something about the two-weapon fighting npcs in the book. They seem to be listed with too many attacks.
Vale Temros' Melee line says "+1 battleaxe +10/+5 (1d8+7/x3), +1 handaxe +10/+5 (1d6+5/x3)."
Teraktinus' Melee line reads "+1 dwarf bane heavy pick +20/+15/+10 (1d8+11/19-20/x4), +1 light pick +20/+15/+10 (1d6+6/x4)."
This seems to indicate that Vale gets 4 attacks with a full-attack action while Teraktinus gets 6. Both characters have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat but not the Improved or Greater versions.
So should their full attack look like (in Teraktinus' case) +18/+13/+8 (1d8+11/19-20/x4), +18 (1d6+6/x4)?

My other question is, how do you pronounce the "ou" in Karzoug? Is it like in "about" or "soup" or "Doug"?


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Can't speak for the 2-weapon fighting thing, but how I pronounce Karzoug is with a silent u; "car-zog".


‘Kar-zoog’, more or less, according to the Youtube video of Erik Mona touting the Deluxe Anniversary Edition (on its product page). ;-)

Liberty's Edge

If I recall correctly, the -2 for TWF is already included (at least for Vale) and the off-hand attack should only get the first attack listed.

I'm not really sure why they listed it like that and to be honest, I don't think Paizo has really figured out how they want to indicate TWF stats considering it seems to change.


There is a bit of edition creep bleeding through from previous editions of the game in some of the NPC/moster statistics. All of these characters and monsters were converted from their eariler 3.5 incarnations, and the editors missed a few pieces here and there. Paizo also slightly tweaked their stat block format since the 3.5 days.

And I always pronounced the BBEG's name as "KAR-zowg" ("zowg" with the same vowel sound as "cow,") which makes the name sound reminiscent of "Sauron."

[Edited to add:] And that made me curious, so I just looked at my copy of Pathfinder #3 and Pathfinder #4 to confirm my suspicion that these characters had Improved Two-Weapon Fighting in their earlier incarnations. They did not, and their 3.5 stats seem correct. This was indeed an error in the AE.

Dark Archive

So, how should the above stat blocks appear using Paizo's standard?

Grand Lodge

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Da G8keepah wrote:

I recently picked up the Anniversary Edition and I have noticed something about the two-weapon fighting npcs in the book. They seem to be listed with too many attacks.

Vale Temros' Melee line says "+1 battleaxe +10/+5 (1d8+7/x3), +1 handaxe +10/+5 (1d6+5/x3)."
Teraktinus' Melee line reads "+1 dwarf bane heavy pick +20/+15/+10 (1d8+11/19-20/x4), +1 light pick +20/+15/+10 (1d6+6/x4)."
This seems to indicate that Vale gets 4 attacks with a full-attack action while Teraktinus gets 6. Both characters have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat but not the Improved or Greater versions.
So should their full attack look like (in Teraktinus' case) +18/+13/+8 (1d8+11/19-20/x4), +18 (1d6+6/x4)?

I didn't look into the bonuses, but they do have too many off-hand attacks. They both have TWF, but neither has ITWF or GTWF, so they should get 1 off-hand attack. However, if you run those stat blocks as presented (with the extra attacks), it won't break your game.

Da G8keepah wrote:
My other question is, how do you pronounce the "ou" in Karzoug? Is it like in "about" or "soup" or "Doug"?

I've been going with "car-zowg," but "car-zog" would work just as well. Really, you can't go wrong as long as you're consistent.

-Skeld


Teraktinus

Vale

Not official, but I hope this helps.


Thanks for the answers everyone.
I suppose it's worth waiting until the PCs reach those parts of the AP before deciding but I think I'll probably go with keeping the numbers the same but just reducing the offhand to one attack only in the case of a full attack and adding +2 when they only make one attack.
It seems like the proper pronunciation is Kar-zoog (like soup). That sounds silly but at least it's easier to pronounce than Kar-zowg.


Karzoog Soup, coming to grocery store shelves near you!

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