Animal Companion with Eldritch heritage( Arcane )


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With animal companions, they can take any feat they qualify for if they have an int of 3+

Does this mean if they have a cha of 13 (specifically looking at Pteranodon with a +1 bump) would they qualify for eldritch heritage if they have skill focus in the right skill. for animal companions are leveled creatures.

Grand Lodge

Yes.

Why would you think otherwise?

Dark Archive

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Yes.

Why would you think otherwise?

http://www.archivesofnethys.com/FeatDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Eldritch%20Herita ge

the feat itself says 3rd level Character. based on the wording of it, i want to know if animal companions count as characters.

Grand Lodge

Racial HD + Class Level = Character Level.


Your animal companion... is going to have a familiar? That's... actually pretty awesome.

Sczarni

I'm actually not sure that's how it works. It appears that a creature's CR determines its Class Levels.

So, a Minotaur, which is normally a 6 HD creature, is a CR 4. A Minotaur Barbarian-2 would have an effected Character Level of 6, not 8, even though it has 8 HD.

And, judging by how Animal Companions are listed in modules, their CR is "-".

Sczarni

Also...

PRD Definition of Terms wrote:

Core Class: One of the standard eleven classes found in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.

Base Class: A class that progresses from level 1–20.

Caster Level: Generally equal to the number of class levels (see below) in a spellcasting class. Some prestige classes add caster levels to an existing class.

Character Level: The sum of a character's class levels.

Class Level: The level of a character in a particular class.

It doesn't mention anything about HD factoring into a character's class levels.

Dark Archive

Nefreet wrote:

Also...

PRD Definition of Terms wrote:

Core Class: One of the standard eleven classes found in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.

Base Class: A class that progresses from level 1–20.

Caster Level: Generally equal to the number of class levels (see below) in a spellcasting class. Some prestige classes add caster levels to an existing class.

Character Level: The sum of a character's class levels.

Class Level: The level of a character in a particular class.

It doesn't mention anything about HD factoring into a character's class levels.

the feat dosent say class level, it just says level. i want to do it for pfs, however its one of those iffy things. and based on the chart for animal companions, it is a leveled creature, but not a charachter of what the feat says.

Grand Lodge

So, an Animal Companion is not a Character?

Even NPCs are characters.

Sczarni

I'm not disputing that Animal Companions are Characters. That's what the "C" in "NPC" stands for.

What's at issue is their "Character Level".

The "Level" listed on the Animal Companion chart refers to the Level of the Player Character with the Animal Companion class feature, not the Level of the Animal Companion itself.

Sczarni

Using the Definition of Terms I quoted earlier, "Character Level" is the sum of the character's "Class Levels".

Unfortunately, Animal Companions don't have "Class Levels", so I don't think your Animal Companion can take Eldritch Heritage.

Grand Lodge

Well, there must be some way to determine their approximate level.

Nothing is 0 level.

Sczarni

I suppose there may still be a way. I believe there is a way to determine an Animal Companion's CR, but I'm not keen on how to do it. Once you find that out, according to the "Monsters as PCs" section, its CR equals its Character Level.

Except, those rules aren't allowed in PFS, so this is still a no-go for the OP.

Grand Lodge

Indeed.

The idea in it's entirety would be disallowed in PFS, but I would like to figure this out, for non-PFS games.

Sczarni

I seem to remember this question coming up regarding the Celestial Servant feat from the ARG and trying to determine what its SR became, since that was also based off of CR.

Unfortunately I'm heading out the door for dinner, so I'll task someone else with that search.

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