Natural Attacks, BAB and Sneak Attack

[particlegiant]

Hi everyone. I'm building a level 1 Tengu Rogue, and taking the Claw Attack alternate racial trait. This leaves it with 2 claw attacks which are primary natural attacks, and the bite attack that all Tengu have.

My first question is whether or not the bite attack still counts as a primary attack, even though there are now two others. All of these attacks do 1d3 damage each, if that's relevant.

Secondly, do I get all of my primary natural attacks during a Full Attack, or I need +6/+1 BAB before I can make more than one attack?

Finally, if I can make both or all three attacks, and I'm flanking as a Rogue, would I get a Sneak Attack d6 for each of the natural attacks (assuming they hit)?

Thanks for any help, guys.

[dragonhunterq]

particlegiant wrote:

Hi everyone. I'm building a level 1 Tengu Rogue, and taking the Claw Attack alternate racial trait. This leaves it with 2 claw attacks which are primary natural attacks, and the bite attack that all Tengu have.

My first question is whether or not the bite attack still counts as a primary attack, even though there are now two others. All of these attacks do 1d3 damage each, if that's relevant.

Secondly, do I get all of my primary natural attacks during a Full Attack, or I need +6/+1 BAB before I can make more than one attack?

Finally, if I can make both or all three attacks, and I'm flanking as a Rogue, would I get a Sneak Attack d6 for each of the natural attacks (assuming they hit)?

Thanks for any help, guys.

Bite and claw are both primary attacks, they're only demoted to secondary attacks if you add in a manufactured weapon. The damage they do is irrelevant.

You get all 3 attacks when you make a full attack, at your full base attack for each of them, you don't get iterative attacks with natural attacks. This means that (assuming nothing else changes) even if your BAB is +20 you only get one bite attack and 2 claw attacks.

You get to sneak attack with every attack you make that qualifies.

[particlegiant]

dragonhunterq wrote:

Bite and claw are both primary attacks, they're only demoted to secondary attacks if you add in a manufactured weapon. The damage they do is irrelevant.

You get all 3 attacks when you make a full attack, at your full base attack for each of them, you don't get iterative attacks with natural attacks. This means that (assuming nothing else changes) even if your BAB is +20 you only get one bite attack and 2 claw attacks.

You get to sneak attack with every attack you make that qualifies.

Great, just what I wanted to hear! Thanks for helping, I appreciate it.

[Kal-Yik]

My very first PFS character was a natural attacking Tengu Rogue, and he's 15th level now. He's been a blast. If you're looking for advice on how to build one, feel free to click on this profile.

[lemeres]

dragonhunterq wrote:

Bite and claw are both primary attacks, they're only demoted to secondary attacks if you add in a manufactured weapon. The damage they do is irrelevant.

You get all 3 attacks when you make a full attack, at your full base attack for each of them, you don't get iterative attacks with natural attacks. This means that (assuming nothing else changes) even if your BAB is +20 you only get one bite attack and 2 claw attacks.

You get to sneak attack with every attack you make that qualifies.

That is both their advantage and disadvantage.

You get all of your attacks on a full attacks as soon as you have the weapons... but that is all you are ever going to get.

Still, bite/claw/claw is a good deal for rogues. It means all of your attacks hit at full BAB, and they do not get penalties like with TWF. 3 Good attacks versus 2 'good, but they get a -2' and two 'meh AND they get a 2' (and the other two are not even worth mentioning most of the time). So you are more likely to get the hits in (which is all you need for sneak attack).

Plus, since you get all three attacks early on, it means you will be devastating early on.

[ras dna]

lemeres wrote:

You get all of your attacks on a full attacks as soon as you have the weapons... but that is all you are ever going to get.

This thread is old but I found it while googling, and others may as well, so I thought I would correct this.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/universal-monster-rules #TOC-Natural-Attacks wrote:

Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam). Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their available natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack’s original type.

Wielding a weapon in hand1, the "extra" claw and bite attacks are now considered secondary, so they get -5

So, full attack with a base attack of +6/+1 would look like :

weapon hand1 +6 (damage +str)
weapon hand1 +1 (damage +str)
claw hand2 +1 (damage +1/2str)
bite +1 (damage +1/2str)

Or with Multiattack:

weapon hand1 +6 (damage +str)
weapon hand1 +1 (damage +str)
claw hand2 +4 (damage +1/2str)
bite +4 (damage +1/2str)

[Saethori]

While technically correct, it is actually completely unrelated to the topic at hand. The previous poster was using weapon to mean natural weapon, and there's no context to imply otherwise.