Druid Wildshape Question


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If this was covered already I apologize. I didn't see it talked about.

When a Druid shape changes, the rules seem very specific about what abilities she may gain based upon the new form. However, I was wondering about basic abilities that seem normal for the form such as echolocation for a bat. If they don't get it then she would be blind in a cave. What are your thoughts?


Malthirian wrote:

If this was covered already I apologize. I didn't see it talked about.

When a Druid shape changes, the rules seem very specific about what abilities she may gain based upon the new form. However, I was wondering about basic abilities that seem normal for the form such as echolocation for a bat. If they don't get it then she would be blind in a cave. What are your thoughts?

Wildshape emulates the spells it says it does. The spells are very specific about what is granted. The druid gains nothing else. And yes. He could essentially become a "blind" bat :D


Malthirian wrote:

If this was covered already I apologize. I didn't see it talked about.

When a Druid shape changes, the rules seem very specific about what abilities she may gain based upon the new form. However, I was wondering about basic abilities that seem normal for the form such as echolocation for a bat. If they don't get it then she would be blind in a cave. What are your thoughts?

The core rules cover it but to abbreviate...

In PF form changing is simple...

Read the spell description (class feature/etc)
Read the polymorph rules in the magic section, under transmutation.

Do what they say. You get the changes, and only the changes, granted by those.

[So, example in this case, what Lifat said]

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Malthirian wrote:
However, I was wondering about basic abilities that seem normal for the form such as echolocation for a bat. If they don't get it then she would be blind in a cave. What are your thoughts?

You retain normal vision at all times. You only lose Low Light and Darkvision if the form doesn't have them.

The spells provide Blindsense or Blindsight (depending on spell) if the form you take has them.


Probably the best way to look at wild shape - while taking into consideration everything everyone else has said so far in this thread - is that you don't actually become a bat. You're still a human or an orc or elf or whatever, but you've partially shape-shifted into an animal form. Some things you get right, some things you don't. By definition it's imperfect given that your brain remains yours. Magic.

So yeah, you don't get anything the ability doesn't give you.

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