Wild Shape bodily functions as weapon?

[Gyromancer]

So I have a group of six lvl 6 PCs, two of which are Druids: Maximillion Testicles and Kalea. Max prefers to wild shape into an eagle. This last session Kalea posed the question: "Could Max crap in the eyes of a monster to blind them?"
I like to allow creativity in my game. I try to be very flexible in adapting rules to fit situations the creators may have overlooked. My question is: have any other GMs run into this question and if so what was your adjudication?

[Gauss]

This should fall under the Dirty Trick combat maneuver although that is usually a melee attack rather than a ranged attack.

[santherus]

Gyromancer wrote:

So I have a group of six lvl 6 PCs, two of which are Druids: Maximillion Testicles and Kalea. Max prefers to wild shape into an eagle. This last session Kalea posed the question: "Could Max crap in the eyes of a monster to blind them?"

I like to allow creativity in my game. I try to be very flexible in adapting rules to fit situations the creators may have overlooked. My question is: have any other GMs run into this question and if so what was your adjudication?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Dirty-Trick

Use a simple Dirty Trick Maneuver for that one. Can be done as normal PC (throw sand into eyes). Simple.

[TheBulletKnight]

I'd personally say it's up to the gm. Not all GMs would agree with it, but it's an interesting home brew rule. I mean, he obviously couldn't crap all the time, so there'd have to be an amount of time since he ate that he'd be allowed to do it... But if you used the rule, all other members of the group would have to follow that rule.

Meaning, if your character ate 5 hours ago and you go into combat, if 'nature calls', he'd have to make con saves to not go in his pants. I'd say the check is a DC 15+1 per round he's already saved. Failure would result in being and staggered until he's change or at least removed the now disgusting article of clothing.

Also, for the eagle crapping in his enemy's eyes, I think it would be a ranged touch attack, ref to not get hit, and in addition, if it hits, fort save or sickened in addition to blinded.

[Umbranus]

I would side with Gauss and handle it as a dirty trick to blind (or sicken). But I could well see some GMs not allowing it because (at least most) birds don't seem to have control over when they drop it.

[blackbloodtroll]

Most of these "creative attacks" can be handled by the Dirty Trick combat maneuver.

[Gyromancer]

After some research, I definitely agree it would fall under the dirty trick combat maneuver with a reflex to avoid. Once per day and PC must declare they are "holding it". If they fail to use their reserve before some arbitrary time....well things could get messy. Should be fun. Thanks folks!

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[insaneogeddon]

I would make them prove their control and put their money where their mouth is... 'go take a crap right now and you can do it'!

[Woran]

insaneogeddon wrote:

I would make them prove their control and put their money where their mouth is... 'go take a crap right now and you can do it'!

Its more like a crap/pee. Birds have a cloaca. Basically pee and poo come from the same hole. That is why bird poo is so runny. Its mixed with pee...

[BigDTBone]

insaneogeddon wrote:

I would make them prove their control and put their money where their mouth is... 'go take a crap right now and you can do it'!

You may wish that you hadn't issued that challenge.

[Claxon]

Ignore the issue of bodily functions on command and just call it a dirty trick. It's like a PC using sand to try to blind an opponent.

[blackbloodtroll]

There are no Reflex Saves to avoid a Dirty Trick combat maneuver.

It is a simple CMB vs CMD resolved attack.

The target of the attack does not get two chances to avoid it.