Dual Wield Rogue - Sword Breaker Daggers and Disarm and Knife Master Weapon Choices


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Liberty's Edge

Good Morning, Afternoon, and Evening

I need some advice, I have a level 3 rogue, (Knife Master), now he is dual wielding Sword Breakers (purely for the 1D4+1D8 when sneak attacking).

The Sword Breaker has a nice +4 to Disarm, now the really big question is,
as you can "Attempt Disarm in place of a melee attack",

1) does this simply mean I could attempt 2 x disarms? or am I wrong (is it a combined attack maybe, where I get the combined bonus from the daggers or something I have not thought of?)

Do I get any bonus's etc for sneak attack to a Disarm (I can't find anything, but that does not mean a thing lol)

and, is Disarm worth it? or should I wait til I level and pick up Improved Disarm????

Finally Weapon Choices, there is alot of info about these, I found one thread that was focusing on Assasins and Knife Master, and the kulkri, but the problem I have is that what weapons are Daggers?

Is it better to have a 1d4 weapon for a 1d8? I was sold on the Knife Master when I was able (or atleast told by an experienced player that I was able to) to hold a 1d6 weapon (Wakizashi) however I believe this is now incorrect (Wakizashi, from my reading and interpretation is not a dagger, or atleast not a knife proficient weapon, meaning 1d6+1d4).

When it comes to the damages of weapons, and if 1d4+1d8 is better than a 1d6+1d4 I get completely lost sorry for the questions.


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1) does this simply mean I could attempt 2 x disarms? or am I wrong (is it a combined attack maybe, where I get the combined bonus from the daggers or something I have not thought of?)

Yes you can replace any of your attacks during an attack action or a full attack with a disarm attempt.

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and, is Disarm worth it? or should I wait til I level and pick up Improved Disarm????

If you want to go that route i recommend the improved disarm feat, because if you try to disarm, that really only takes away one round of attacking from your opponent, before he picked up his weapon again, and provoking an attack of opportunity mitigates that benefit somewhat. And on top of that Combat Maneuver Defense raises faster than Combat Maneuver bonus. This goes extra for when you are a rogue with only a 3/4 base attack bonus. So you need that extra bonus to disarm.

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Do I get any bonus's etc for sneak attack to a Disarm (I can't find anything, but that does not mean a thing lol)

Sneak attack does not give you any benefits to disarming attempts.

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Finally Weapon Choices, there is alot of info about these, I found one thread that was focusing on Assasins and Knife Master, and the kulkri, but the problem I have is that what weapons are Daggers?

Is it better to have a 1d4 weapon for a 1d8? I was sold on the Knife Master when I was able (or atleast told by an experienced player that I was able to) to hold a 1d6 weapon (Wakizashi) however I believe this is now incorrect (Wakizashi, from my reading and interpretation is not a dagger, or atleast not a knife proficient weapon, meaning 1d6+1d4).

When it comes to the damages of weapons, and if 1d4+1d8 is better than a 1d6+1d4 I get completely lost sorry for the questions.

Wakizashi would get 1d4 sneak attack. As a knife master you get the d8 sneak attack dice only with the listed weapons (and those include daggers).

And it is highly advisable to use one of those weapons because the difference between 1d4 and 1d6 weapon damage is fairly negligible compared to the difference between 3d4 and 3d8 sneak attack damage, you will have for instance at level 5.

Also, since your character is already level three, you deal 1d4 + 2d8 sneak attack with your swordbreakers already.

Dark Archive

Yes you can disarm instead of an attack. It would be one attack with each weapon at the two weapon fighting attack bonus. Normally you do not get to deal damage when you perform a disarm so sneak attack would not come in to play. There is a fighter Archetype that lets you dmg on a disarm, Aldori swordlord.

Disarm also gives foes AOO against you, until you get improved disarm. So you might want to only do one disarm a turn.

The 1d4+1d8 is more damage then a 1d6+1d4 but the 1d6 of the Wakizashi is actually going to do more dmg on average then the 1d4 as sneak attack is a situational bonus. I would say use one of each and sneak attack with the dagger that way you will get your better dmg from both weapons and have one choice to disarm.

The Exchange

One thing to keep in mind when you use a disarm maneuver is that you can pick up the other guy's disarmed weapon as a move action. Unless he's got another weapon already in hand (watch out for shield bashes...), the Improved Unarmed Strike Feat, a natural attack, or something else he can use for AoO, then you can disarm him as a standard action, then pick up his weapon as a move action. Also works well if he's already blown his one AoO trying to hit you when you attempted the disarm in the first place, as long as he's not got multiple AoO to his name, of course.

Some GMs would allow you to kick a disarmed weapon aside as a free or swift action too, but that's got less in the way of RAW behind it.

Scarab Sages

Have the party wizard carry a wand of Unseen Servant. A servant with instructions to collect any dropped weapons will prevent opponents from picking their swords back up.

The Exchange

It's worth noting that the swordbreaker dagger is an exotic weapon that gives +4 to disarm (and sunder) attempts only against bladed weapons - so unless you're designing your character around being a disarm specialist then blowing a feat for the EWP to use the thing is probably a tad expensive. Of the Knife Master archetype allowed weapons a Rogue is only automatically proficient with the dagger and punching dagger. In any case the vanilla dagger is your best bet because of the trait River Rat which gives you a +1 on all damage rolls with a dagger (and +1 to Swim checks and Swim is a class skill for you... but that's not relevant here).

As a TWF Rogue the base damage of your weapons is really irrelevant: they're a delivery system for your Sneak Attack dice, more so if you're a Knife Master than any other Rogue even. You really want to be a small sized race too, for the AC, attack roll, and Stealth benefits, as you don't care about the size of your weapon die: just the amount of Sneak attacks you can get in.

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