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Most of the "horrid" food choices I make are for the simple reason is that it's that expensive to eat healthily while the U.S.. continues to subsidize the production of garbage food.people won't waste near as much to make them themselves (and it would be cheaper) than if they can just grab them off a shelf and stuff their faces. A good chunk of the horrid food choices people make is out of laziness, even those not in the systemBest ban sales of flour and sugar...Having a cookie now and then is one thing, the ones i see DAILY buying $20 plus in snackfoods are a burden on the system we do not need and an insult to taxpayers. if they are so poor they have to take from others you are damn right they have an obligation to use that money right
On children and cookies. If obama and his wife are so against obesity maybe they should be on the front lines of wanting to restrict welfare snackfoods as that is one thing the gov could help on
I agree that needs to stop. but healthier eating is not really much if any more expensive if you are smart about it, especially if you live where food can easily be grown.
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I don't have anything to back this up but I strongly feel that a big part of why poor people eat unhealthy is because it's one of the few pleasures in life that they can obtain. Middle-class or rich people can afford satisfying hobbies, families, travel, plans for the future -- all of that makes it easier to live with bad tasting healthy food, when you have so many other things making you happy to compensate. But when you're alone, poor, unemployed, giving up that hamburger is much tougher, it's like, "can't I even have this one thing to make me happy?"
Obviously I'm characterizing extremes here, but the basic principle should apply. The more satisfying a life you have, the easier it is to live with health food, and the more depressing a life you have, the more you cling to the one thing you can have.
I don't have anything to back this up but I strongly feel that a big part of why poor people eat unhealthy is because it's one of the few pleasures in life that they can obtain. Middle-class or rich people can afford satisfying hobbies, families, travel, plans for the future -- all of that makes it easier to live with bad tasting healthy food, when you have so many other things making you happy to compensate. But when you're alone, poor, unemployed, giving up that hamburger is much tougher, it's like, "can't I even have this one thing to make me happy?"
Obviously I'm characterizing extremes here, but the basic principle should apply. The more satisfying a life you have, the easier it is to live with health food, and the more depressing a life you have, the more you cling to the one thing you can have.
Actually, there's a number of cheap video games, and Pathfinder doesn't require much investment to get into. From a monetary standpoint, there's plenty of entertainment.
The problem is that healthy foods are expensive when you're poor. When your budget is sometimes whatever spare change you found under the couch, you learn quickly that fresh lettuce and oranges are luxuries.
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Around her (MI) people scour for scrap in trash piles during spring cleaning in small towns. in dumpster at apartments. they do not have to steal or vandalize.
It's fun to pick random Citizen R. statements and factcheck them.
Michigan seeks to crack down on metal theft with new law signed by Gov. Rick Snyder
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Around her (MI) people scour for scrap in trash piles during spring cleaning in small towns. in dumpster at apartments. they do not have to steal or vandalize.It's fun to pick random Citizen R. statements and factcheck them.
Michigan seeks to crack down on metal theft with new law signed by Gov. Rick Snyder
The fact is that there are metal thieves. the fact also remains that you can gather it from multiple sources without stealing
The fact is that there are metal thieves. the fact also remains that you can gather it from multiple sources without stealing
Freehold DM (paraphrase): Scrapping? Around here, that's vagrancy.
The jeff (paraphrase): Why do I think that anyone making a living from is doing so illegally?
Andrew R.: Around her (MI) people scour for scrap in trash piles during spring cleaning in small towns. in dumpster at apartments. they do not have to steal or vandalize.
Michigan Live: Michigan metal theft crimes nearly tripled between 2011 and 2012, according to the state police. The state ranked 10th in the nation for scrap metal insurance claims in a recent study by the National Insurance Crime Bureau.
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The more satisfying a life you have, the easier it is to live with health food, and the more depressing a life you have, the more you cling to the one thing you can have.Actually, there's a number of cheap video games, and Pathfinder doesn't require much investment to get into. From a monetary standpoint, there's plenty of entertainment.
Entertainment, sure. Ways to pass time, there are a million. But does sitting at home and playing video games and watching television amount to a happy, satisfying life for a lot of people?
Because stealing is more lucrative than honest gathering
Translation: It's the MAN's fault dude, what with all those laws and such.
Entertainment, sure. Ways to pass time, there are a million. But does sitting at home and playing video games and watching television amount to a happy, satisfying life for a lot of people?The more satisfying a life you have, the easier it is to live with health food, and the more depressing a life you have, the more you cling to the one thing you can have.Actually, there's a number of cheap video games, and Pathfinder doesn't require much investment to get into. From a monetary standpoint, there's plenty of entertainment.
Surprisingly, yes. Why else do you think that both Hollywood and the video game have become multi-billion-dollar industries?
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Ways to pass time, there are a million. But does sitting at home and playing video games and watching television amount to a happy, satisfying life for a lot of people?Surprisingly, yes. Why else do you think that both Hollywood and the video game have become multi-billion-dollar industries?
Because they're very good at providing the "empty calories" equivalent of happiness. Junk food for the soul. I would be honestly surprised if I talked to an eighty year old on their deathbed and they said they were so happy they spent so much time watching television.
I agree. Television is a waste of time. You pinkskins should do what your disgusting ancestors did after a hard day's work (we goblins, of course, prefer to take from others) and watch the fire.
Fire is pretty.
Because they're very good at providing the "empty calories" equivalent of happiness. Junk food for the soul. I would be honestly surprised if I talked to an eighty year old on their deathbed and they said they were so happy they spent so much time watching television.Ways to pass time, there are a million. But does sitting at home and playing video games and watching television amount to a happy, satisfying life for a lot of people?Surprisingly, yes. Why else do you think that both Hollywood and the video game have become multi-billion-dollar industries?
No, but you would be surprised how many of them would cite the moments that came while playing television. Or the fond memories while playing games.
Strangely, in my own observations of people, I've found most people tend to gravitate towards simpler lives when they don't have a lot of BS being tossed at them. More complex lives tend to be rarer.
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I agree. Television is a waste of time. You pinkskins should do what your disgusting ancestors did after a hard day's work (we goblins, of course, prefer to take from others) and watch the fire.
Fire is pretty.
Agreed. Build a pinkskin a fire, and he's entertained until it goes out. Set a pinkskin on fire, and he's entertaining for the rest of his life.
A church in Jersey City was broken into a couple of years ago and all of it's copper piping was stripped.The fact is that there are metal thieves. the fact also remains that you can gather it from multiple sources without stealing
Freehold DM (paraphrase): Scrapping? Around here, that's vagrancy.
The jeff (paraphrase): Why do I think that anyone making a living from is doing so illegally?
Andrew R.: Around her (MI) people scour for scrap in trash piles during spring cleaning in small towns. in dumpster at apartments. they do not have to steal or vandalize.
Michigan Live: Michigan metal theft crimes nearly tripled between 2011 and 2012, according to the state police. The state ranked 10th in the nation for scrap metal insurance claims in a recent study by the National Insurance Crime Bureau.
For the record, I am not trying to suggest that every one in Michigan who scraps is a thief. I am trying to suggest, however, that the scrapping industry in Michigan looks like it is pretty much the same as it is in the rest of the country.
I know a guy who is a semi-pro scrapper. Goes out in his truck and trailer after UPS and goes hunting in the southern New Hampshire area. Another of our co-workers even said there is a rival team of scrappers he competes with, a couple of brothers I think. Anyway, my union brother claims that he abides by the Code of the Respectable Scrapper, but he also lived in public housing, so I doubt his word can be trusted.
Build a pinkskin a fire, and he's entertained until it goes out. Set a pinkskin on fire, and he's entertaining for the rest of his life.
I wish I could favorite this multiple times.
Because stealing is more lucrative than honest gathering
from where? Seriously.
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Of possible interest, bookmarking for later:
Boston's Foreclosures and Record Gentrification Aren't Just Random Coincidences
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Yep, pinkskins are real charitable all right.[/sarcasm]
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An interesting article in the Hartford Courant today touching on some of the welfare perception issues we've argued about here.
Picking Up Food Stamps In My Mercedes
Even includes a little bit about buying soda.
I call it 30 seconds or so before someone posts that they should have sold the house and moved to a place where they could grow their own healthy food, and that buying the root beer was shameful.
But maybe I'm too harsh. Perhaps a pretty blonde middle-class lady is "worthy" of WIC.
An interesting article in the Hartford Courant today touching on some of the welfare perception issues we've argued about here.
Picking Up Food Stamps In My Mercedes
Even includes a little bit about buying soda.
Amazing article. Amazing story.
Andrew, I'm officially calling upon you to read this one. I would love to hear your thoughts.
Landlord will not evict 98-year-old woman, after all
Sez the title. There's an update.
Landlord will not evict 98-year-old woman, after all
Sez the title. There's an update.
Dirty. Not sure what this has to do with government, though.
Wrong thread, Freehold.
Am I high? Because I'm telling you, this was the government folly thread a moment ago.
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Am I high? Because I'm telling you, this was the government folly thread a moment ago.
{laughs nervously and loudly to cover the sounds of walls and sets surreptitiously re-arranging in the background} Don't be silly, Freehold.
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{somewhere, in the bowels of the Internet, an AI whispers:} Crap, he almost figured out we're filming Freehold in The Woods II: The Legend of Whedon's Gold.
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[Continues to smoke from the bong, making me immune to all kindsa stuff]
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An interesting article in the Hartford Courant today touching on some of the welfare perception issues we've argued about here.
Picking Up Food Stamps In My Mercedes
Even includes a little bit about buying soda.
Amazing article. Amazing story.
Andrew, I'm officially calling upon you to read this one. I would love to hear your thoughts.
A high earning butterfly that bounced between jobs,bought an overpriced house she did not have the stability to pay and irresponsible oops babies. I hope you were not set on my sympathy here. Sure the car was paid off but did He bother having a bit of savings before that splurge? But done is done, it was paid off so i don't hold that against her. 3 pops on sale? no problem there unless i see the same person daily like most of my customers, and three would be conservative next to what i see. I do not hold any animosity to people just trying to get by and WIC is really hard to abuse, but that has never been my argument. i fully support WIC even if i will look down on those that take no care or intentionally end up with kids they know they cannot afford (rape and spouse death are a bit different). It is the blank check welfare used primarily for junk that i want to see ended.
A high earning butterfly that bounced between jobs,bought an overpriced house she did not have the stability to pay and irresponsible oops babies. I hope you were not set on my sympathy here. Sure the car was paid off but did He bother having a bit of savings before that splurge? But done is done, it was paid off so i don't hold that against her. 3 pops on sale? no problem there unless i see the same person daily like most of my customers, and three would be conservative next to what i see. I do not hold any animosity to people just trying to get by and WIC is really hard to abuse, but that has never been my argument. i fully support WIC even if i will look down on those that take no care or intentionally end up with kids they know they cannot afford (rape and spouse death are a bit different). It is the blank check welfare used primarily for junk that i want to see ended.An interesting article in the Hartford Courant today touching on some of the welfare perception issues we've argued about here.
Picking Up Food Stamps In My Mercedes
Even includes a little bit about buying soda.
Amazing article. Amazing story.
Andrew, I'm officially calling upon you to read this one. I would love to hear your thoughts.
Going point by point..
High earning butterfly? Bounced from job to job? She didn't make much money at first, and she accepted promotions, at least as far as I could tell. Are you telling me you would turn down a promotion at your job?
Oops babies? She was in a stable relationship that turned into a marriage. Aren't you usually complaining about quite the opposite? Should she have had a string of baby daddies? I know that would fit your monologue better.
Bought an overpriced house? Sorry, that isn't what happened- according to the article she was suddenly underwater because of market concerns- a nightmare scenario that many are still in.
Savings after buying a car? Yes, according to the article, they did have a savings, and they went through it over time. I think the health of her children may have played a role there. While I do not think much of you, I don't think even you would suggest something as monstrous as letting her children die so that she can be in a better financial situation.
Using WIC as a blank check? I think you can see that isn't the situation here.
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A high earning butterfly that bounced between jobs,bought an overpriced house she did not have the stability to pay and irresponsible oops babies. I hope you were not set on my sympathy here. Sure the car was paid off but did He bother having a bit of savings before that splurge? But done is done, it was paid off so i don't hold that against her. 3 pops on sale? no problem there unless i see the same person daily like most of my customers, and three would be conservative next to what i see. I do not hold any animosity to people just trying to get by and WIC is really hard to abuse, but that has never been my argument. i fully support WIC even if i will look down on those that take no care or intentionally end up with kids they know they cannot afford (rape and spouse death are a bit different). It is the blank check welfare used primarily for junk that i want to see ended.Using WIC as a blank check? I think you can see that isn't the situation here.
I'm not entirely sure what program the "blank check welfare" is supposed to be. It's not WIC. I suspect it's actually SSD, under the assumption that the people he's talking about aren't really disabled and they're cheating the system.
Sometimes it is WIC though, with the offense of being able to buy junk food with it or buying junk food with cash in addition to the WIC money.
SNAP, called a bridge card here in MI, is the issue not WIC. WIC is tightly controlled. SNAP can be used for hundreds of dollars a month in jerky candy and redbull without any real food involved. WIC cannot
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A high earning butterfly that bounced between jobs,bought an overpriced house she did not have the stability to pay and irresponsible oops babies. I hope you were not set on my sympathy here. Sure the car was paid off but did He bother having a bit of savings before that splurge? But done is done, it was paid off so i don't hold that against her. 3 pops on sale? no problem there unless i see the same person daily like most of my customers, and three would be conservative next to what i see. I do not hold any animosity to people just trying to get by and WIC is really hard to abuse, but that has never been my argument. i fully support WIC even if i will look down on those that take no care or intentionally end up with kids they know they cannot afford (rape and spouse death are a bit different). It is the blank check welfare used primarily for junk that i want to see ended.An interesting article in the Hartford Courant today touching on some of the welfare perception issues we've argued about here.
Picking Up Food Stamps In My Mercedes
Even includes a little bit about buying soda.
Amazing article. Amazing story.
Andrew, I'm officially calling upon you to read this one. I would love to hear your thoughts.
Going point by point..
High earning butterfly? Bounced from job to job? She didn't make much money at first, and she accepted promotions, at least as far as I could tell. Are you telling me you would turn down a promotion at your job?
Oops babies? She was in a stable relationship that turned into a marriage. Aren't you usually complaining about quite the opposite? Should she have had a string of baby daddies? I know that would fit your monologue better.
Bought an overpriced house? Sorry, that isn't what happened- according to the article she was suddenly underwater because of market...
"moved from market to market" moved between cities. sounds like bouncing between jobs to me. Even if they all paid good she had no stability, and that sometimes beats a slightly higher pay.
She had a boyfriend that she married after "finding out" they were pregnant less than a year after moving and taking a new job. sounds like a oops or a grand failure in planning. I give them credit for getting married and trying to be good parents, the children's health is something they could not help.
A $240,000 house is not cheap, not something you just jump into without stable employment.
...A high earning butterfly that bounced between jobs,bought an overpriced house she did not have the stability to pay and irresponsible oops babies. I hope you were not set on my sympathy here. Sure the car was paid off but did He bother having a bit of savings before that splurge? But done is done, it was paid off so i don't hold that against her. 3 pops on sale? no problem there unless i see the same person daily like most of my customers, and three would be conservative next to what i see. I do not hold any animosity to people just trying to get by and WIC is really hard to abuse, but that has never been my argument. i fully support WIC even if i will look down on those that take no care or intentionally end up with kids they know they cannot afford (rape and spouse death are a bit different). It is the blank check welfare used primarily for junk that i want to see ended.An interesting article in the Hartford Courant today touching on some of the welfare perception issues we've argued about here.
Picking Up Food Stamps In My Mercedes
Even includes a little bit about buying soda.
Amazing article. Amazing story.
Andrew, I'm officially calling upon you to read this one. I would love to hear your thoughts.
Going point by point..
High earning butterfly? Bounced from job to job? She didn't make much money at first, and she accepted promotions, at least as far as I could tell. Are you telling me you would turn down a promotion at your job?
Oops babies? She was in a stable relationship that turned into a marriage. Aren't you usually complaining about quite the opposite? Should she have had a string of baby daddies? I know that would fit your monologue better.
Bought an overpriced house? Sorry, that isn't what happened- according to the article she was suddenly
she mentions workingas a tv producer in thr articlr- if this is the case bouncing from field to field may mean from show to show, not job to job.
marrying her bf after finding out she was pregnant and taking a new job to support her new family? More oops situations should be like this, not less.
Freehold, you've already gotten him to move from "welfare is taking from others which is theft which is wrong!!!" Frankly, I don't think you're going to get anything else.
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Freehold, you've already gotten him to move from "welfare is taking from others which is theft which is wrong!!!" Frankly, I don't think you're going to get anything else.
Yah. Take what you can get. Remember that in his world, bad things like having premature babies and housing-market crashes only happen to bad people who should have been more responsible.
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Freehold, you've already gotten him to move from "welfare is taking from others which is theft which is wrong!!!" Frankly, I don't think you're going to get anything else.Yah. Take what you can get. Remember that in his world, bad things like having premature babies and housing-market crashes only happen to bad people who should have been more responsible.
Having unplanned children can be helped, their health is much less controllable. Market crashes you cannot help, buying a house you might not be able to afford when you are not firmly established at a job is a choice
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she mentions workingas a tv producer in thr articlr- if this is the case bouncing from field to field may mean from show to show, not job to job.
marrying her bf after finding out she was pregnant and taking a new job to support her new family? More oops situations should be like this, not less.
Still not stable employment
I give them credit for marrying and staying together. doing that after the oops pregnancy is still a lack of initial responsibility