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Can a person with a long spear attack from the position he moved to and if so are there any penalties?
Set up:
Dismounted horse is in the middle of the battle, we'll use it as center. Clock wise around the horse, far left front to far right front 1, 2, 3, 4. Down right side 5, 6. Back 7, 8, 9, 10. Up left side 11, 12.
Creature is in position 12
Dismounted Player is in position 10
Mounted long spear Player moves mount to positions 8 ,9.
Can long spear Player attack creature?
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I don't understand the first paragraph, sorry, unless it should be at the end?
I'm not sure of the relevance of the Dismounted Player, who isn't in a position to provide cover, threaten or do anything else to the Creature.
If Mounted Player wielding a longspear moves his mount so that the nearest square of his mount is 10 feet from Creature, he can attack Creature with no penalties (and a +1 higher ground bonus).
I attempted to reply, but kept getting confused when reading the post again, and again, so I just deleted my response. I don't understand the relevance of the dismounted player, and if the mount moved 5 ft back, or 10 feet back to 9 and 8.
If the mount moved 5 feet back, then no, because you threaten 10 ft with a reach weapon.
If the mount moved 10 feet back, then it would threaten.
o's=where the mount used to be
C=Creature
P=dismounted player
X's=Horse with long spear dude on it.
Q=Number 11, due to it taking two characters
e=other empty spaces
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I believe this is how things threaten in PF in this situation. Be mindful that people argue the corners do threaten from what I hear, but I recall PF making them not legal to threaten do to them being 15 ft. but people argue since it's also 10 ft sort of, that you can.
n=non-threatened square
t=threaten square
x=space player takes up
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Alright, I figured the mounted long spear dude was on the horse in the middle. Now things make sense to me.
The creature gets +4 cover bonus to AC I believe, due to the horse being in between the spear dude, and the creature. I'm not experienced with mounted combat, but if there is a height advantage from this attack due to the creature being medium sized, and the long spear dude being on a large sized creature, then obviously that bonus applied to the attack roll.
I'm not sure, but he should have a soft cover, so +4.
If you're talking about an attack of opportunity for dismounting, than he don't have any cover yet.
If you speak about an attack of opportunity for other reason, you can't:
If he has cover, you can't make an attack of opportunity on him
Cover and Attacks of Opportunity: You can't execute an attack of opportunity against an opponent with cover relative to you.
Now, to determine cover, there are 2 rules for a mounted character to have:
Relevant rules:
To determine whether your target has cover from your ranged attack, choose a corner of your square. If any line from this corner to any corner of the target's square passes through a square or border that blocks line of effect or provides cover, or through a square occupied by a creature, the target has cover (+4 to AC).
Big Creatures and Cover: Any creature with a space larger than 5 feet (1 square) determines cover against melee attacks slightly differently than smaller creatures do. Such a creature can choose any square that it occupies to determine if an opponent has cover against its melee attacks. Similarly, when making a melee attack against such a creature, you can pick any of the squares it occupies to determine if it has cover against you.
Edit about the bonus on attack roll:
The bonus to hit is for being on higher ground. You only get a +1 to attack rolls.
A long spear is a reach weapon. Reach weapons use range weapon rules to determinate cover. You can choose a corner of the square occupied by your player and draw lines to determinate cover.
Reach weapon uses use the cover rules for ranged weapons.
To determine whether your target has cover from your ranged attack, choose a corner of your square. If any line from this corner to any corner of the target’s square passes through a square or border that blocks line of effect or provides cover, or through a square occupied by a creature, the target has cover (+4 to AC).
A mounted creature occupies the same space that his mount occupies.
For simplicity, assume that you share your mount’s space during combat.
Summary: in your example the rider using a reach weapon can choose which corner of his mount's space to attack from (assume top-left) and check for cover using the ranged weapon rules which determine that "C" has no cover because of the "E" square being empty.
In your last diagram neither A nor C have cover relative to each other. There are no other creatures to check.
In your corrected diagram "C" and "A" have cover relative to each other.
Even if A has a reach weapon?
A cant attack because reach weapons cant attack fields next to the attacker.
Jacob Saltband, in your last example if A has a reach weapon then A cannot attack (too close).
A still has cover relative to C when C attacks.
Whether C has cover relative to A depends on what A is doing. If A makes a ranged attack then C does not have cover. If A makes a non-reach melee attack then C has cover.