If Valeros and Merisiel are flanking a goblin, would Valeros get a +2 flanking bonus to his CMB if he wanted to initiate a grapple?
Considering this:
"When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects."
My take, is that flanking falls into "other effects".
Thanks.
When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by another enemy character or creature on its opposite border or opposite corner.
Hmm. Well, you're not making a melee attack, so I'd say no for grapple because it isn't a melee attack.
It is a little bit trickier when doing a disarm/sunder/trip with a weapon in place of an attack action. I'd say no, since it isn't a melee attack, but others would argue differently.
Well, flanking gives +2 to attack rolls, and it says "Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls [...]"
So, it does make sense to add it in my reading of the RAW.
Hmm. Well, you're not making a melee attack, so I'd say no for grapple because it isn't a melee attack.
You may not be making an 'attack' but the rules say you get the bonus.
"When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects."
Combat maneuvers are attack rolls so the flanking bonus definitely applies.
But I do get your point.
Flanking would give a +2 to attack rolls (which should flow to CMB), but you are saying it would provide that +2 only if I do a melee attack and not for other manoeuvers.
I think otherwise, but I believe I understand your point.
OK, glad to see I am not the only one that thinks it should apply.
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When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects. These bonuses must be applicable to the weapon or attack used to perform the maneuver.
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Let me ask some things:
Only a creature or character that threatens the defender can help an attacker get a flanking bonus.
Humanoid creatures without two free hands attempting to grapple a foe take a –4 penalty on the combat maneuver roll.
To recieve the Flanking Bonus, the char must have Improved Unarmed Strike or must have a weapon in the hand (getting -4 for trying to grapple with one hand, resulting in -2 due the flanking). Is this right?
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Let me ask some things:
Only a creature or character that threatens the defender can help an attacker get a flanking bonus.Humanoid creatures without two free hands attempting to grapple a foe take a –4 penalty on the combat maneuver roll.To recieve the Flanking Bonus, the char must have Improved Unarmed Strike or must have a weapon in the hand (getting -4 for trying to grapple with one hand, resulting in -2 due the flanking). Is this right?
Or have a natural attack, but yes.
EDIT: Note that it have to be a melee weapon.
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Found:
Threatened Squares: You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your turn. Generally, that means everything in all squares adjacent to your space (including diagonally). An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened square provokes an attack of opportunity from you. If you're unarmed, you don't normally threaten any squares and thus can't make attacks of opportunity.
And therefore, are not flanking either.
Or have a natural attack
That will work to flanking and grappling. Yes. TY!
Or armor spikes, or blade boots, or a cestus/gauntlet, etc.
Yes, but flanking doesn't give a +2 when your make an attack rolls. Flanking gives a +2 when you make a melee attack. A melee attack isn't the same thing as an attack roll.
