5' through doorway

[The Rising Phoenix]

If you are in hallway that is only 5' wide but opens to a room 15' wide, can you five foot step from the hallway into the open room? It would seem to me that you cannot since to make it through there you would have to pass through a wall to do so.

. = Open Space
X = Wall
p = Player

...
XpX
X.X
...

[GM DSP]

I rule that you cannot. I'm not sure that is RAW, but it works for my games.

[Hendelbolaf]

I am not sure that I understand what you are asking, but if you have a clear space in front of you and are not cutting a hard corner, then you may take the 5 foot step.

For example, if the player starts at position "P", then he can take a 5 foot step to either spot marked "5". The "X" is a solid wall and the "O" is an open area.

Here is how I see the diagram:

O5O
XPX
X5X
OOO

[Sniggevert]

You can 5' step straight ahead into the room, but you can not 5' step around a hard corner into the room...the diagram isn't really clear where you're wanting to step to.

EDIT: Ninja'd much more clearly by Hendelbolaf...

[The Rising Phoenix]

I'm sorry that I failed on the diagram. In the diagram below he is at P and wants to get to #. It's through a hard corner and I said he couldn't do that. Based upon what I've seen above, this is the correct ruling.

#5O
XPX
XOX
OOO

[Razhen]

Sniggevert wrote:

You can 5' step straight ahead into the room, but you can not 5' step around a hard corner into the room...the diagram isn't really clear where you're wanting to step to.

EDIT: Ninja'd much more clearly by Hendelbolaf...

Sniggevert and Hendelbolaf are correct, you cannot take a diagonal 5ft step through a wall. However, if the wall were a hole in the ground, you could take a 5ft step over that

[Hendelbolaf]

Asuriel Arktaros wrote:

I'm sorry that I failed on the diagram. In the diagram below he is at P and wants to get to #. It's through a hard corner and I said he couldn't do that. Based upon what I've seen above, this is the correct ruling.

#5O
XPX
XOX
OOO

Yep, if that is a wall, corner, or solid object that fills the whole square then it would be 10 feet of move to make it to # under normal conditions. Good ruling!

[blahpers]

If you want definitive rules text, this is from the Combat section of the PRD and should be identical to the corresponding section in the Core Rulebook:

PRD wrote:

Measuring Distance

As a general rule, distance is measured assuming that 1 square equals 5 feet.

Diagonals: When measuring distance, the first diagonal counts as 1 square, the second counts as 2 squares, the third counts as 1, the fourth as 2, and so on.

You can't move diagonally past a corner (even by taking a 5-foot step). You can move diagonally past a creature, even an opponent.

You can also move diagonally past other impassable obstacles, such as pits.

(Inline emphasis mine.)