Needed: Advanced Bestiary


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This was brought about by a discussion at my local PFS last Sunday....

I think there is a need for an Advanced Beastiary. A book which has more epic and much more difficult stat blocks for some of the "big bad guys" or even mid level challenges. In general there are builders and min/maxers, and while I do not consider myself to be one I know a great many of them. Many of the GMs rework and rebuild creatures to be more challenging for their party, while many of the players wish for something more challenging.

I realize that this doesn't fit everyone's idea of what is fun but there are a large number of players who are solid "make my character an engine of unstoppable destruction". I think that amping up some of the creatures (especially demon lords, archdevils, empyreal lords, great old ones, and actually outsiders in general) may be a fun option for a lot of these types of players.

On the flip I think that your average player finds higher level play a bit of a letdown and somewhat of a cake walk. I think that presenting more advanced monsters for people to throw into the mix here and there could be a really fun challenge for a great many people.

Also I would love for there to be a release that is a compilation of all of the monsters that have been listed at the end of AP books.


It might be a bit in poor taste for them to name it the Advanced Bestiary as that is a book already in production by Green Ronin.

As for upgrading everything for stronger players I tend to find more mechanically focused boards good for them. For better or for ill a lot of people on these boards either don't like mechanical talk or don't understand some of the underlying problems with the math. I'd recommend either gitp or minmax boards for direction on upgrading monsters even just with new feat and spell selections.

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As Alex pointed out, the Advanced Bestiary is coming...

And if you haven't yet, check out the Mythic rules for amping up your monsters, and there's the upcoming Monster Codex as well. Many third party publishers have also made bestiaries and templates that could also help you in this endeavor, and a few of the creatures in the Adventure Path bestiaries make it into the hardcover Bestiaries.

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