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Okay, we all know that creatures with the Swarm Subtype cannot be tripped, grappled, or bull rushed, but what about some other Combat Maneuvers?
1) Can you use the Overrun maneuver on them?
2) Can you use the Reposition maneuver on them?
3) Can you use the Dirty Trick maneuver on them?
4) Can you use the Steal maneuver on them?
Can't see why not ... though 'steal' might be hard, since it's unlikely they'll be holding anything.
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Can't see why not ... though 'steal' might be hard, since it's unlikely they'll be holding anything.
Monkeys are known to sometimes have shiny things.
I wasn't aware one could have a swarm of monkeys.
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2) How does one reposition 300 rats?
Throw cheese.
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I wasn't aware one could have a swarm of monkeys.Yes. You can even summon a swarm of them.
According to this you can steal and disarm them. Also, this spell has just become my favorite spell.
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I'd say that barbarian could certainly Overrun them (like doing a stompy dance on a swarm of ants), but they'd probably be immune to the prone part of it.
I'll have to make sure to make my players aware of this, as paranoid as they are about my use of swarms.
The movement portion of Overrun works on any swarm since a swarm does not impede the movement of a creature. Since a swarm cannot be affected by Overrun, it cannot gain the prone condition from the maneuver as well.
As far as the damage from Overbearing Advance, it would not affect a swarm of fine or diminutive creatures since they are immune to weapon damage. Against swarms of larger creatures, the Overbearing Advance would inflict half damage.
As for the other maneuvers:
...Steal: The maneuvers attack may be automatic, but depending on the type of swarm and how they are interacting with the item, the attacker may get part of the swarm with the stolen object.
...Reposition/Drag: I cannot see how you would reposition a mass of small creatures, so no.
...Dirty Trick: This maneuver uses a weak point of a creature to inflict a temporary effect (eyes, knee, etc). I also cannot see a way an entire swarm could be affected by a handful of dirt or hitting a 'sensitive' spot.
The GM is the final arbitrator of what is acceptable and what is not. If it does not make sense, it should not work, regardless of the rule-loopholes a player thinks they have found.
A swarm is immune to any spell or effect that targets a specific number of creatures..
Due to the fact that all combat maneuvers affect a target , an opponent, an enemy or a foe i would say that swarms are immune to all combat maneuvers. Same for the prone condition and 'overbearing advance'.
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A swarm is immune to any spell or effect that targets a specific number of creatures..Due to the fact that all combat maneuvers affect a target , an opponent, an enemy or a foe i would say that swarms are immune to all combat maneuvers. Same for the prone condition and 'overbearing advance'.
Would the same hold true if you have a swarmbane clasp?
Would the same hold true if you have a swarmbane clasp?
Sure or do you see something in the 'Swarmbane clasp' rules that allow combat maneuvers or targeted effects and spells ?
