Brawlers and Grappling

[Ornery Hobbit]

From the Greater Grapple Feat:

Benefit: You receive a +2 bonus on checks made to grapple a foe. This bonus stacks with the bonus granted by Improved Grapple. Once you have grappled a creature, maintaining the grapple is a move action. This feat allows you to make two grapple checks each round (to move, harm, or pin your opponent), but you are not required to make two checks. You only need to succeed at one of these checks to maintain the grapple.

From the Brawler Playtest (Unarmed Strike feature):

At 1st level, a brawler gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. A brawler’s attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a brawler may make unarmed strikes with her hands full.

Question: Does this mean that a Brawler with Greater Grapple can maintain and grapple and still get off his Brawlers Flurry?

I know there is the move action/full round action mechanic there. However, in the spirit of what this class is supposed to be it just feels right that they should be versatile enough to do something like that. Hold them with the leg scissors, beat on them with the fists. Get them in as headlock, knee them in the nuts. Just feels real brawlery.

RAW obviously is a no.

Thoughts on RAI?

Thanks in advance

OH

[KainPen]

AS far as RAW no can't be done without rapid grappler feat. I think feat lets you lets you maintain as a free action.

If you take Rapid grappler feat then I believe you can full attack in a grapple. Thus = Maui Tai Clinch.

[Bruno Breakbone]

@Ornery Hobbit

RAW No

RAI No

The option to do unarmed damage on a successful grapple check would be the equivalent of bear hugging, head butting, dirty boxing, etc.

@KainPain

Rapid Grappler only allows you to make a grapple check as a swift action after you have maintained as a move action with Greater Grapple.

[KainPen]

Thanks Bruno, I could not remember and did not have books handy. It does allow you to get two strikes in at least or tie someone up in that round.

[Ornery Hobbit]

Bruno Breakbone wrote:

@Ornery Hobbit

RAW No

RAI No

The option to do unarmed damage on a successful grapple check would be the equivalent of bear hugging, head butting, dirty boxing, etc.

But that is just the point. Unlike the Monk "A brawler’s attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a brawler may make unarmed strikes with her hands full."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that passage does not appear in the Monk's Flurry of Blows which basically implies that you are looking at punches and possibly kicks at the very outside.

OH

[Bruno Breakbone]

That is basically the same text in the unarmed strike section from monk.

Quote:

At 1st level, a monk gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk may make unarmed strikes with his hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply his full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all his unarmed strikes.

[Mojorat]

Grappling has no connection to flurry and its only connection to unarmed strikes is they are light weapons.

[Hendelbolaf]

Sorry Hobbit, as Bruno and the others said this is an obvious RAW = No and RAI = No issue. Also, as quoted above, the wording is exactly the same as a Monk. Which makes sense as a Brawler is half-monk...

[Ornery Hobbit]

Yep, I see that now.