Do Rods and Wands stack?

[Bistu Kelligan]

I was looking at a wizard build who would dual wield a wand of magic missile and a metamagic rod of toppling. I couldn't find rules for how to negotiate this sort of combination. Should these toppling magic missiles simply cost more magic missile charges? Or are these too not supposed to stack?

[Bistu Kelligan]

two*

[seebs]

Nothing you do changes the effects of the wand. It's not a wand of toppling, and you aren't actually casting a spell, so the rod doesn't do you any good.

[HectorVivis]

You can create a wand of toppling magic missile, but you can't use a rod with a wand.

Magic Item Creation wrote:

Using metamagic feats, a caster can place spells in items at a higher level than normal.

and

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Magic Items and Metamagic Spells: With the right item creation feat, you can store a metamagic version of a spell in a scroll, potion, or wand. Level limits for potions and wands apply to the spell's higher spell level (after the application of the metamagic feat). A character doesn't need the metamagic feat to activate an item storing a metamagic version of a spell.

[Kthulhu]

Yes, but you have to balance them VERY carefully.

[HectorVivis]

Kthulhu wrote:

Yes, but you have to balance them VERY carefully.

Can you explain ? Everyone can do that, it's from the CRB, and as it can be useful for some spells... I'm not really convinced. He will make a lvl 2 wand, without his caster level, and without his ability modifier to DC. So it's 4500 for a DC 11 trip attack after 1d4+1 damages.

Lvl 1 wand: 750 Gp
Lvl 2 wand: 4500 Gp

Without some archetypes, it's pretty weak for the cost.

Edit: remember that you're not the caster when you use a wand.

[wraithstrike]

Spells in wands can not be modified. You may be able to make a magic missile wand that is toppling, but if if is a generic wand then you are stuck with it.

[Diego Rossi]

HectorVivis wrote:

Kthulhu wrote:

Yes, but you have to balance them VERY carefully.

Can you explain ? Everyone can do that, it's from the CRB, and as it can be useful for some spells... I'm not really convinced. He will make a lvl 2 wand, without his caster level, and without his ability modifier to DC. So it's 4500 for a DC 11 trip attack after 1d4+1 damages.

Lvl 1 wand: 750 Gp
Lvl 2 wand: 4500 Gp

Without some archetypes, it's pretty weak for the cost.

Edit: remember that you're not the caster when you use a wand.

I think it is a joke about Mikado.

[seebs]

It's a joke because you could balance a stick on another stick, but it'd be hard because round things tend to roll, I think.

[HectorVivis]

Huuuu... I just woken up when I read the thread. Now it seems more obvious.

(And yeah, I don't know why, this morning, the first thing I would do was checking the rules forum. Do I become obsessed ?)