The "five" horsemen?


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So the "four horsemen" are a popular concept, taken from mythology and copy-pasted ad nauseum throughout fantasy and popular culture. For those who don't know, the image of the "four horsemen" is taken primarily from the New Testament's 'Book of Revelation'. In Golarion cosmology, the "four horsemen" represent the top four deified entities for the Daemons in Abbadon. However, I recently read Revelation and came upon something... there are actually five horsemen described in Revelation.

Revelation 6.2 wrote:
I looked, and there was a white horse! Its rider had a bow; a crown was given him, and he came out conquering and to conquer

"The Conqueror"

Revelation 6.4 wrote:
And out came another horse, bright red; its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another; and he was given a great sword.

War

Revelation 6.5-6.6 wrote:
...I looked, and there was a black horse! Its rider held a pair of scales in his hand, and I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's pay, and three quarts of barley for a day's pay, but do not damage the olive oil and the wine!"

Famine

Revelation 6.8 wrote:
I looked and there was a pale green horse! Its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed with him; they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, famine, and pestilence, and by the wild animals of the earth.

Death (the only one specifically named, btw)

These are the four we're all familiar with. But, much later, there is a fifth horseman described...

Revelation 19.11 wrote:
Then I saw heaven opened, and there was a white horse! Its rider is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems; and he has a name inscribed that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is called The Word of God... 20.16: On his robe and on his thigh he has a name inscribed, "King of kings and Lord of lords".

So, I'm thinking, how exactly would you fit this into a story about a group of people modeled after the "five horsemen"? Maybe a LG Cavalier leading with a group of four NE Cavaliers who do dirty work in his name? The Conqueror would, obviously, be a mounted archer. War uses a Greatsword and Death would, iconically, use a scythe. Famine and Truth, though, I'm not entirely sure what kind of weapon they should use. The four NE cavaliers are evil to the core, but, under the guidance and leadership of Truth, their lust for violence has been directed at other evildoers; evil pitted against greater evil for the sake of good. Brainstorm, GO!


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Your 'fifth horsemen' is interpreted as being Christ in glory. (thus The Word of God - as in John 1, and the blood on his robe from the crucifixion/side-piercing).

Terry Pratchett writes about a fifth horseman, Kaos, who 'left before they got famous' :)


sgriobhadair wrote:

Your 'fifth horsemen' is interpreted as being Christ in glory. (thus The Word of God - as in John 1, and the blood on his robe from the crucifixion/side-piercing).

Terry Pratchett writes about a fifth horseman, Kaos, who 'left before they got famous' :)

Yeah, I caught that, which is why I designated him as LG in keeping with the mythos. Maybe make him an Aasimar?


The 5th horseman only shows up on the apocalypse though, he isnt around on our daily life like the other four. He could be any good divinity that join up the riders to bring down reckoning.

On another note, where is the Plague?


Some gnostic scripts call the fifth horseman Destriction and Oblivion, he who brings the end of all life, all things and all gods.


Bardess wrote:
Some gnostic scripts call the fifth horseman Destriction and Oblivion, he who brings the end of all life, all things and all gods.

And please, all of this posts!!

:P


shadowkras wrote:

The 5th horseman only shows up on the apocalypse though, he isnt around on our daily life like the other four. He could be any good divinity that join up the riders to bring down reckoning.

On another note, where is the Plague?

He is interchangeable with conquest apparently. The exact four are different depending on the source.


sgriobhadair wrote:

Your 'fifth horsemen' is interpreted as being Christ in glory. (thus The Word of God - as in John 1, and the blood on his robe from the crucifixion/side-piercing).

Terry Pratchett writes about a fifth horseman, Kaos, who 'left before they got famous' :)

Pratchett also mentions another in Good Omens, Polution (who took over from pestilence who left muttering something about penicillin)

Although i note that pestilence isan't on the above list from revelations and the difference between war and the conqueror is only in semantics isant it?


"Pestilence", I think, is a misinterpretation of the line for Death, "...kill with sword (war), famine, and pestilence...". The Conqueror represents battle over land and resources while War represents killing for its own sake over intangibles such as creed, status, religion, etc. So the US going to war with the Middle East over oil is represented by 'The Conqueror' while religious crusades or ethnic genocides are represented by War. "Famine" more generally refers to "scarcity" of resources while Death wraps up actual death by war, famine, pestilence, and wild animals. Also, each horseman was given authority over 1/4 of the world, implying that a fourth would be enveloped in genocidal/religious conflicts, another fourth would be embroiled in a conflict over land and resources, another would be plagued by scarcity of resources and inequity among the people, and the final forth was just death in all manners and people dropping like flies left and right for every reason imaginable.


May not be that relevant to you, as you can always change the setting as needed, but I thought that the 5th Horseman had been mentioned in Pathfinder. Isn't the theory that the Oinodaemon or whatever it's called that's hidden away somewhere in Abbadon is actually the Fifth Horseman? The one so vile and wrong that the Four joined to lock it away?


There's been some interesting takes on the horsemen over the years too. Three of my favourites:

I do love Pratchett's versions. Mrs War the Valkyrie, who now runs War's life with an iron fist never fails to get a laugh when I read about her. And I adore Kaos, who left before they got famous, also known as

Spoiler:
Ronnie Soak, the only milkman capable of delivering the milk to every house in the city at exactly the same time.

Pratchett/Gaiman's work in Good Omens. War as the best war correspondent in the world, because somehow she's always where the wars are ABOUT to start. Pollution (who, as mentioned above, took over from Pestilence), working odd jobs in all kinds of interesting places, like nuclear power plants with bad safety records, rusty cargo ships carrying vast amounts of highly toxic weed killer just waiting to spill, and so on. Famine, the celebrity diet peddler and owner of a chain of fast food restaurants designed to provide no nutritional value at all. And Death/Azrael. Everywhere. Watching. Waiting. Working.

I also really enjoyed the Darksiders games, where you play as War in the first one (accused of kicking off Armageddon early, and trying to clear his name) and Death (voiced by Michael Wincott... *squee!*) in the sequel. Good, solid action adventure games with some RPG elements (moreso in the second than the first). The other two horsemen were renamed, to Fury and Strife. I think Fury was the sister. The backstory for them was very different in these games though, with the Four being the last remaining Nephilhim, who betrayed the rest of their people to save the multiverse from them by selling their services to the Charred Council, who maintain the balance between Heaven and Hell. They became the council's enforcers, with unbelievable power, and served faithfully until the events of the first game.


The only things I know about the Darksiders games is from Yahtzee's reviews of both of them.

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