Need help figuring this characters attack

[Selosa]

Hey guys, sorry but a lot of rules here are just confusing me as to which should be prevalent, would appreciate the help.

Magus
Lvl 3
Str 16
BAB 2

So far so easy, Melee Attack Modifier 5

He was afflicted / blessed with a Grasp of Granite.

This gives him a +2 STR and the hand can now be used as a secondary natural attack as a +1 Adamantium Gauntlet.

This is where it gets tricky for me.

If he uses only one natural attack normally it would be treated as a Primary attack at full BAB and 1.5 Str bonus damage.

HOWEVER the item specifically states that it is a secondary natural attack which would be at a -5 and .5 Str bonus damage.

To further complicate matters he wishes to strap a buckler onto the arm stating, and rightly so, that the buckler can just be strapped onto it. This would, of course give the -1 to hit as well.

So, when using spellstrike to cast Frostbite for instance.

What would his attack bonus be if he was using the Grasp of Granite to deliver the attacks?

And what would the attack bonus be like if he drew his +1 Katana and decided to try to take full attacks? As in, he casts Frostbite, quickdraws Katana, free Melee touch attack from spell strike, normal melee attack with Katana, secondary melee attack with Grasp of Granite all the while with the buckler strapped onto his Grasp of Granite.

Sorry, a bit overwhelmed by the options here, if someone could help clear up this boondoggle I would appreciate it.

[Nefreet]

Selosa wrote:

What would his attack bonus be if he was using the Grasp of Granite to deliver the attacks?

I'm unfamiliar with "Grasp of Granite", but assuming it works exactly the way you say it does, his attack bonus would be:

+2 BAB
+4 STR (18 Strength with "GoG")
+1 Wpn
-1 Buckler
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+6 Total (assuming he has no other natural weapons, and is not wielding a manufactured weapon)

If he uses this "Gauntlet" in conjunction with Spell Combat, he'd suffer an additional -2 penalty (so +4 spell/+4 gauntlet, since the spell hand isn't wielding the Buckler, but it also isn't a +1 weapon).

If he starts fighting with a +1 Katana, then his Katana would be at +7 Total, and his "Gauntlet" at +1 Total (since natural attacks suffer a -5 penalty when combined with weapon attacks, plus the -1 from Buckler).

If he later grew a Bite, or any other primary natural attack, and wanted to do a full attack, his attack would be Primary +6 (since it's not +1 magic)/Gauntlet +1 (since there are no 2WF penalties when using only natural attacks).

EDIT: forgot to include the magical +1 bonuses
EDIT#2: you don't "two-weapon fight" with a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon (wow, figured I'd get this right the first time, not the third)
EDIT#3: forgot that 2nd natural attack isn't inherently +1 (Gah!)

[Selosa]

Grasp of Granite

Aura moderate transmutation and divination; CL 10th
Slot hands; Price 12,300 gp; Weight 2 lbs.
DESCRIPTION

This left-handed black iron gauntlet appears little more than a dull soot-stained plated glove at first glance, but in truth it is a powerful boon granted by a god to his most faithful subjects.

Placing the glove on your left hand causes excruciating pain as your appendage curls into a tight fist and then slowly transforms to supernaturally hard black stone. You cannot use your left hand for anything beyond smashing it into objects or creatures (you cannot carry a shield or secondary weapon and you take a –4 on skill checks that usually require two hands).

The gauntlet cannot be removed without a successful casting of remove curse, break enchantment, or a similar spell. The gauntlet grants you a +2 enhancement bonus to Strength and acts as a +1 adamantine gauntlet. The item also grants you the ability to use the gauntlet as a secondary natural attack. In addition, the Grasp of Granite allows its wearer to use stone shape once per day.

Sorry, should have included the item in the original post.

My questions arise from the line "grants you the ability to use the gauntlet as a secondary natural attack.

If he attacks with the Gauntlet only, would it become a Primary attack with full BAB and 1.5 StrMod damage or is it always going to be at a minus 5 to hit and half StrMod as per the specific wording of the item.

[Are]

Selosa wrote:

If he attacks with the Gauntlet only, would it become a Primary attack with full BAB and 1.5 StrMod damage or is it always going to be at a minus 5 to hit and half StrMod as per the specific wording of the item.

If he attacks with the gauntlet only, then it counts as a magical +1 adamantine gauntlet (which is a regular weapon), and not as a natural attack at all. That's how I read the wording, at least.

So, you'd then use full BAB, with iterative attacks if applicable, and with normal STR bonus.

[Domestichauscat]

Alas, this is the price one must pay to be a martial class. Mathematics. And they say fighter is the simplest class to play! Shenanigans!

[Selosa]

Are wrote:

Selosa wrote:

If he attacks with the Gauntlet only, would it become a Primary attack with full BAB and 1.5 StrMod damage or is it always going to be at a minus 5 to hit and half StrMod as per the specific wording of the item.

If he attacks with the gauntlet only, then it counts as a magical +1 adamantine gauntlet (which is a regular weapon), and not as a natural attack at all. That's how I read the wording, at least.

So, you'd then use full BAB, with iterative attacks if applicable, and with normal STR bonus.

I like that, good call, I think I had just gotten stuck on the whole secondary natural attack thing which was causing me the numerological headaches.

Thanks