While folks are discussing the Garrote...


Rules Questions


Does anyone know if the Garrote is in a Fighter Weapon Group? I can't find anything either way.


Garrote isn't even listed as a weapon on the PRD...hmm.

I seem to recall a feat that lets you do something with it.

In any event it doesn't deal damage, so weapon training I don't think would help you. To my knowledge all a garrote does is allow you to strangle your opponent. Which isn't very effective in pathfinder since you can hold your breath for a number of rounds equal to your constitution.

Edit: According to d20pfsrd it does deal damage, 1d6 for a medium garrote.

My guess is it should be included in the close weapons group.

Sczarni

Claxon wrote:
To my knowledge all a garrote does is allow you to strangle your opponent. Which isn't very effective in pathfinder since you can hold your breath for a number of rounds equal to your constitution.

When you're prepared and ready to hold your breath, sure.

But what about being strangled when you're surprised in an alley?

Or fall asleep in water?


It's from the Adventurer's Armory. Paizo did not reprint it for Ultimate Equipment.

The garrote does do damage. As for weapon groups, the GM is encouraged to assign weapons to weapon groups as she sees fit. Garrote doesn't really fit with the rest of the weapons, though, so I'd have a hard time assigning it. Close weapon group is the best I can think of.


Nefreet wrote:
Claxon wrote:
To my knowledge all a garrote does is allow you to strangle your opponent. Which isn't very effective in pathfinder since you can hold your breath for a number of rounds equal to your constitution.

When you're prepared and ready to hold your breath, sure.

But what about being strangled when you're surprised in an alley?

Or fall asleep in water?

There's no rules differentiation between having a chance to take a deep breath and not having such a chance. The closest example I can find is the suffocation spell, but it explicitly removes all of the air from your lungs to speed up the process.

Edit: Falling asleep in water is going to drown you, though, since you cannot hold your breath while asleep.

Sczarni

And magically falling asleep in water?


Nefreet wrote:
Claxon wrote:
To my knowledge all a garrote does is allow you to strangle your opponent. Which isn't very effective in pathfinder since you can hold your breath for a number of rounds equal to your constitution.

When you're prepared and ready to hold your breath, sure.

But what about being strangled when you're surprised in an alley?

Or fall asleep in water?

To my knowledge there is no change in the rules for holding you breath because you are surprised.

Being pushed off a pier into water doesn't change how long you can hold your breath according to the rules and I don't see anything to suggest that other scenarios do either, except for the suffocate spell which expels the air from your lungs.


I was pretty sure it hadn't been listed in one, but I figured that if anyone knew of some obscure place it might be listed, it was you folks...

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