Scroll to Spellbook bypasses racial restrictions?


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Lantern Lodge

So, a fellow player asked if he (In PFS) could buy a scroll that contains a spell that is from a different race than his own, and then scribe said spell into his spell book. Is this perfectly legit? (Normally, those spells require GM approval to gain if you are not that race).

I honestly couldn't find the rules governing scribing scrolls into a spellbook, anyone mind pointing me in that direction?


The rule you are looking for is on the additional resources page under Advanced Race Guide:

Additional Resources wrote:
Note: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race.

Grand Lodge

No... in PFS you have to be the correct race to use the spell, or possess a feat, trait, or boon that gives you access to it. No other exceptions or dodges allowed.

Lantern Lodge

Awesome, thanks, though do you know where I can find the rule that says you can add a spell to your spell book from a scroll?

Grand Lodge

FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:
Awesome, thanks, though do you know where I can find the rule that says you can add a spell to your spell book from a scroll?

Campaign Guide, Additional Resources.... all your questions about spellbook expansion are answered within. General rule is that you can buy access for 150 percent of the scroll price (or is it the price to scribe? you'll find it in the doc). Spell level availability is dependent on your Fame as specified in the Campaign Guide.

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FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:
(In PFS) could buy a scroll that contains a spell that is from a different race than his own

Did you confirm he can even buy it? Is the spell legal?

Once bought, expect table variance on whether or not you can copy that spell into your spellbook and whether or not you can memorize it from your spell book in the morning.


FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:
Awesome, thanks, though do you know where I can find the rule that says you can add a spell to your spell book from a scroll?

Yes. It's from the Core Rulebook, page 219:

Writing Spells into a Wizard's Spellbook:
Spells Copied from Another’s Spellbook or a Scroll:
A wizard can also add a spell to his book whenever he encounters one on a magic scroll or in another wizard’s spellbook. No matter what the spell’s source, the wizard must first decipher the magical writing (see Arcane Magical Writings). Next, he must spend 1 hour studying the spell. At the end of the hour, he must make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell’s level). A wizard who has specialized in a school of spells gains a +2 bonus on the Spellcraft check if the new spell is from his specialty school. If the check succeeds, the wizard understands the spell and can copy it into his spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). The process leaves a spellbook that was copied from unharmed, but a spell successfully copied from a magic scroll disappears from the parchment.

If the check fails, the wizard cannot understand or copy the spell. He cannot attempt to learn or copy that spell again until one week has passed. If the spell was from a scroll, a failed Spellcraft check does not cause the spell to vanish.

In most cases, wizards charge a fee for the privilege of copying spells from their spellbooks. This fee is usually equal to half the cost to write the spell into a spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). Rare and unique spells might cost significantly more.

Independent Research: A wizard can also research a spell independently, duplicating an existing spell or creating an entirely new one. The cost to research a new spell, and the time required, are left up to GM discretion, but it should probably take at least 1 week and cost at least 1,000 gp per level of the spell to be researched. This should also require a number

Lantern Lodge

Yes, he's a tiefling magus trying to get his hands on Blend (an elf spell that is legal for play).

He isn't too concerned with it if he can't, just would have been a nice, long lasting level 1 party scout helper. He might just end up getting a wand of it, which raises another question deserving it's own thread.

After he asked though, I got to thinking about being Samsaran and using this trick to get whatever arcane racial spell you want, but that'd be for non-PFS play.

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Seems to me that even wands and scrolls of it are off limits.

Lantern Lodge

Robert A Matthews wrote:
FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:
Awesome, thanks, though do you know where I can find the rule that says you can add a spell to your spell book from a scroll?

Yes. It's from the Core Rulebook, page 219:

** spoiler omitted **

Thanks!

I guess I might as well ask just a couple more questions on his behalf:

Are racial spells available as scrolls/wands for whoever wants to purchase one, so long as such spells are legal (in PFS)?

If a Teifling Magus did get a wand of Blend (An elf spell that Magus' can cast), does it count as being on his spell list for the purposes of UMD checks (inside or outside of PFS)?

Lantern Lodge

ryric wrote:
Seems to me that even wands and scrolls of it are off limits.

Do you read minds? O.o


There is two seperate issues. Pf normally has no rule preventing it.

Pfs however wants racial spells to be special ypu can probly assume of a loophole exists to learn other races spells it will be closdd.

On a side note I don't think anything stops the magus from using a borrowed wand or scroll he just csnt keep them.

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FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:
Teifling Magus did get a wand of Blend (An elf spell that Magus' can cast), does it count as being on his spell list for the purposes of UMD checks (inside or outside of PFS)?

No inside PFS (you would need to make UMD checks)

No outside PFS (It seems to me the racial spells are only added to the spell list of the player if they are the correct race.)

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