Human supertitious racial trait doubt


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It's an add and stacks or just substitutes de normal +1/4 levels?
I mean, a human barbarian with supertition and taking the trait, have +1/3 levels plus +1/4 levels to saves againts magic, or just the +1/3.


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The human racial trait Superstitious does one thing and one thing only.

Superstitious Human Racial Trait wrote:
Benefit: You gain a +1 trait bonus on saving throws against arcane spells.

It is a flat bonus. It does not otherwise interact with the Barbarian's Superstition rage power.


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He's referring to the racial favored class bonus. It is an untyped bonus, so it will stack with the rage power.

For all practical purposes, fractions don't exist in the game rules, they are always rounded to a whole number. So for every three levels in which the player has used his FCB for that power, increase the bonus by 1. For every four Barbarian levels, increase the bonus by 1. A second level Barbarian could not stack a +2/3 bonus from his FCB and a +1/2 bonus from his Barbarian levels for a +1 1/6 bonus.


Athaleon is correct.

Your barbarian will start with 2, increase to 3 at 3, increase to 4 at 4, 5 at 6, and so on and so forth.

Sczarni

Unfortunately, you can't choose that particular FCB until you have the actual Rage Power, so assuming you grabbed said Power at 2nd level, you wouldn't get your first +1 from the FCB until level 4.

To be more specific: you can't choose a FCB that adds to a class feature you don't have yet, like 1st level Rangers giving their Animal Companions bonus hit points, or an Aasimar Oracle adjusting a revelation they do not yet have.

It's mentioned in THIS POST:

John Compton wrote:

Can I apply the aasimar or elf oracle's favored class bonus to a revelation I do not yet have? Can I do so for the aasimar bard’s favored class bonus?

No, when choosing which class feature’s effective level to increase, you can only select a feature that you already have. For example, an aasimar flame oracle cannot choose to improve the wings of fire revelation with her favored class bonus until she actually gains the revelation at 7th level or beyond; she could not start augmenting it at 1st level.

This isn’t actually a new rule. It’s just a clarification that I confirmed with the design team because it seemed that some folks were assuming otherwise.

Grand Lodge

Well, can't you retrain favored class bonuses?

Sczarni

Nope.

Grand Lodge

Huh. That would seem like something you would have to do, if retraining levels in one class, into another.

Sczarni

Since your favored class is something you decide at 1st level, you'd probably have to retrain all levels in your initial class into another, and back again, in order to change your FCB lineup.

But that loophole still wouldn't allow a 1st level Human Barbarian to select the Superstitious FCB.

Grand Lodge

Indeed.

Retraining is something I am not as familiar with.

Sczarni

It's on the PRD, but my phone doesn't like loading the PRD or else I'd link it for you.

It's a short read, though.

Grand Lodge

I have skimmed through it, but it is still a little confusing.

Lack of experience with using them doesn't help.


John Compton wrote:

Can I apply the aasimar or elf oracle's favored class bonus to a revelation I do not yet have? Can I do so for the aasimar bard’s favored class bonus?

No, when [u]choosing which class feature’s effective level to increase, you can only select a feature that you already have[/u]. For example, an aasimar flame oracle cannot choose to improve the wings of fire revelation with her favored class bonus until she actually gains the revelation at 7th level or beyond; she could not start augmenting it at 1st level.

This isn’t actually a new rule. It’s just a clarification that I confirmed with the design team because it seemed that some folks were assuming otherwise.

Note that this clarification refers to favored class bonus that requires selection of a specific feature. Human bonus to superstition does not leave place for selection - it always affects the same exact ability so it isn't 100% sure if that clarification should apply - circumstances are a bit different.

Sczarni

A 1st level Barbarian does not yet have the Rage Power class feature.

I see no way to augment a class feature you do not yet have.

This is akin to selecting feats that improve upon a class feature you do not yet have.

Shadow Lodge

I'm not seeing a problem with taking HP at first level instead of a piece of a bonus to saves personally.


Athaleon wrote:

He's referring to the racial favored class bonus. It is an untyped bonus, so it will stack with the rage power.

For all practical purposes, fractions don't exist in the game rules, they are always rounded to a whole number. So for every three levels in which the player has used his FCB for that power, increase the bonus by 1. For every four Barbarian levels, increase the bonus by 1. A second level Barbarian could not stack a +2/3 bonus from his FCB and a +1/2 bonus from his Barbarian levels for a +1 1/6 bonus.

Thats what I meant, and this clarifies it all for me, thanks. And being me the GM, its no problem to houserule/allow to take the bonus from first level. Just asked because I thought of it as a BIG bonus.


SlimGauge wrote:

The human racial trait Superstitious does one thing and one thing only.

Superstitious Human Racial Trait wrote:
Benefit: You gain a +1 trait bonus on saving throws against arcane spells.
It is a flat bonus. It does not otherwise interact with the Barbarian's Superstition rage power.

Sorry for the confusion, I was meaning the favored class bonus, but I play in a foreing language(I have the spanish fisical CRB), sometimes I misspell, or translate things wrong.

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