Vivisectionist and Bombs from other sources


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Grand Lodge

If a Vivisectionist Alchemist has the Bombs feature from another class, how do the two classes interact?

Can they choose Bomb discoveries?

Do the levels stack?

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blackbloodtroll wrote:


1) If a Vivisectionist Alchemist has the Bombs feature from another class, how do the two classes interact?

2) Can they choose Bomb discoveries?

3) Do the levels stack?

1) What class give bombs? Hopefully it will have rules on how the abilities stack. Prestige classes should have them.

2) Only if the other class allow that, the vivisectionist don't have them as a class feature, so it don't count for acquiring the discoveries.

3) No. You don't stack features if you don't have them.

APG wrote:
A character who takes an alternate class feature does not count as having the class feature that was replaced when meeting any requirements or prerequisites.

Grand Lodge

Arcane Bomber.

Also, the Ninja, well, sort of.

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Arcane Bomber wrote:

Bomb (Su)

At 1st level, the arcane bomber gains an ability nearly identical to the alchemist’s bomb ability. Unlike the alchemist, at 1st level, the arcane bomber chooses one type of energy from the following list: acid, cold, fire, and electricity. He can throw bombs of that type, but cannot modify them with discoveries. This ability stacks with the alchemist bomb ability to determine the level of bomb damage, but an arcane bomber that becomes an alchemist does not gain that class’s bomb ability, nor does an alchemist that becomes an arcane bomber gain this bomb ability.

This ability replaces arcane bond.

If the alchemist does not have the Bomb ability as in the case of the Vivisectionist, then there is nothing to stack.

And the Ninja doesn't have the bomb feature, even if they have the smoke/poison bomb tricks. Unrelated abilities with no interaction even hinted at, let alone stated for stacking.


I did look into trying to get the bomb feature with the alchemist that I was playing once he went vivisectionist. I couldn't find a way to do so. The best I could do was to throw splash weapons for the 1d6 or so + int. A small boost to damage could be created by using the Hybridization Funnel:

Spoiler:
Hybridization Funnel

Price 200 gp; Aura faint transmutation; CL 3rd; Weight 2 lbs.

This two-spouted funnel is used to safely mix two alchemical splash weapons into a single flask. Using the vial requires 10 minutes and a DC 25 Craft (alchemy) check; a half-elf has a +5 bonus on this check. Failing the check means both splash weapon are destroyed. Success means the two materials are safely mixed into one vial that is the same volume as a normal splash weapon vial; when thrown as a splash weapon, the mixture has the effects of both component substances and creatures are affected as if hit by both. The mixture becomes inert after 24 hours. Only liquids may be mixed with the funnel. The bearer can use it to mix an alchemical splash weapon with either holy water or unholy water, but the Craft (alchemy) DC increases to 30; half-elves still get the +5 bonus on this check. The funnel does not work on potions, elixirs, extracts, or other materials. Mixing a substance with a similar or identical substance (such as alchemist's fire with alchemist's fire) has no effect. A mixture cannot be combined with another mixture.

Construction Requirements

Cost 100 gp

Craft Wondrous Item, fabricate or combine extracts discovery

Grand Lodge

Let's say a Vivisectionist takes a level in Arcane Bomber Wizard.

Could he later, take the Precise Bomb Discovery, and apply it to the Bombs acquired through his Wizard levels?


The archetype is pretty poorly written, so to me it seems to be up to DM interpretation. However, they do seem to stack (in some weird ways. I don't even know how uses/day would stack for example, or if the ability even HAS uses/day), so that'd be a point towards letting the discoveries work.

Neither the vivisectionist, nor the discoveries specify that an alchemist without the bombs class feature can't take bomb discoveries, you can obviously take them at least.

However, by strict RAW, if you take alchemist level first (even vivisectionist) you don't get arcane bomber bombs. If you reverse the order (arcane bomber and then take vivisectionist levels and get bomb discoveries) should work.

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