Barding and Special Materials


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Lantern Lodge

17 people marked this as FAQ candidate.

I'm sure this has been answered before but i can not seem to find a Definitive answer. Barding costs 4x the cost of the armor for a large creature.

If i want to get Mithral chain shirt for my mount/large AC does it cost 1400? (1000 mithral + 100x4 Chain Barding)

Or does it cost 4400 (1100 (mithral chain)x4 barding)

Appreciate the help would really like an official answer before buying the armor.

Sczarni

This is actually a "Frequently Asked Question" that has never been added to the FAQ (and it can get rather contentious).

That said, I believe the majority opinion now is that the cost modifiers for "Unusual Creatures" are applied to the "Armor Type" of the barding, and not to the finished product, so you'd multiply the base armor item by 4 (for a horse), then add the cost for Mithral afterwards.

So, 1400gp, in your case (but expect some variation of opinion).

It's one of the problems inherent in having "cost multipliers" and "additional costs", and not defining an order of operations.

EDIT: And for reference in case this ever does have a chance of getting added to the FAQ, here is a list of other posts where the exact same question was asked:

Cost of Large Mithril Chain Shirt Barding for Nonhumanoid? 1,400gp or 4,400gp?
Mithral shirt barding
Mithril Barding - Large Creature
Barding and special material
Cost modifiers for size.
Special materials and small armor


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

I disagree. Figure the cost of your barding as if it was regular armor, all inclusive. Then multiply. Otherwise you can buy mithral Mammoth armor and dismantle it for a profit just from the weight of mithral.

Agreed that this needs to be cleared up by the devs.


yeah seems a no brainer there, make the base armor + material then multiply it by the barding modifier.

since the material cost is just that the cost of that amount of material to make that armor, and the barding modifier is again to reflect the much larger amount of material required to make that level of barding..

So armor + material costs X barding mod.
Otherwise its silly.:)

Lantern Lodge

the reason this is so disputed is because they give no price change between small and medium. Why would you have to pay the same price if your only getting half the material? Unless you are paying for the skill needed to craft it and not the cost of the material in question.

Now material that has a cost per lbs would cost more and a smaller item would cost less.

Why haven't any of the Devs voiced up on this issue since its been around for a long time it clearly needs to be resolved.

Sczarni

Because Pathfinder is not a game of economics. It is a role-playing game, first and foremost.

James Jacobs wrote:
Frankly, the over-examination of tiny fiddly rules bits in an attempt to "solve" the equation of how things are priced is more or less destined to cause only greater confusion. Magic item pricing is equal parts math and art, since the game itself wasn't designed from the ground up by mathematicians.

SlimGauge's argument is the most common for his side. Buy cheap, huge-sized Mithral armors and melt them down for the raw material and sell it to make a profit, or use it to make the Mithral items you actually want.

Most GMs would not allow this to happen in their home games, and in PFS it's a non-issue.

But, yes, a Mithral chain shirt has the same +1000gp modifier whether it's fit for a huge-sized Mammoth or a tiny-sized Quasit.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
SlimGauge wrote:

I disagree. Figure the cost of your barding as if it was regular armor, all inclusive. Then multiply. Otherwise you can buy mithral Mammoth armor and dismantle it for a profit just from the weight of mithral.

If you could dismantle for profit, then a medium sized mithril chain shirt dismantles profit just as well. The chain shirt 12.5 lbs mithril, you have 6250 gp worth of mithril for 1100. If dismantling for profit is your concern, then mithril would have to have it cost tied to weight irregardless of size, shape, or classification of the armor.

The cost should be generally be balanced against the in game benefit. So in general I'd just add mithril as a flat cost. That said it does get debated and several related threads were linked.

That said, the 3.x FAQ more or less says multiple x4 with some stupidity about the mwk cost worked in. So I'd expect so much debate on the issue, I'd suggest playing conservative and pay the full x4 price unless the individual GM you are working with says otherwise.

Sczarni

Maezer wrote:
the 3.x FAQ more or less says multiple x4 with some stupidity about the mwk cost worked in. So I'd expect so much debate on the issue, I'd suggest playing conservative and pay the full x4 price unless the individual GM you are working with says otherwise.

In one of the threads I linked above, a year ago, I commented about the cost being 3950gp using the 3.X math.

It's funny to read your own thoughts from a year ago. I no longer believe the cost to be 3950, but if someone else came up with it on their own I wouldn't fault them.

Say... the OP is actually rather FAQ-able. Perhaps we can get some clicks? I'll start.

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