Dawnflower Dervish + Savage Warrior


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Dawnflower Dervish wrote:

Burst of Speed (Ex)

At 3rd level, a dervish takes only a –1 penalty to her AC after charging. At 7th level, the dervish can charge with no penalty.

This ability replaces Armor Training 1.

Savage Warrior wrote:

Savage Charge (Ex)

At 9th level, when a savage warrior attacks with a natural weapon at the end of a charge, he gains a bonus on his natural weapon attack rolls equal to half his fighter level, while suffering a penalty to his AC equal to half his fighter level. These replace the normal attack roll bonus and AC penalty for charging. This bonus also applies to his CMB for a bull rush or overrun combat maneuvers made when charging.

This ability replaces Weapon Training 2.

Since you can take both archetypes, how would those abilities interact?


I would rule that a fighter with both archetypes would take penalty equal to half his fighter level - 2. Althoug you could rule otherwise, I don't think the designers thought of a Dervish of Dawn also being a Savage Warrior.

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Would you allow the reduction to stack with this one?

Nimble Striker (Combat) wrote:


You were born to charge your enemies and nobody does it better.

Prerequisites: Dex 13, base attack bonus +1, catfolk, sprinter racial trait.

Benefit: You do not take a –2 penalty to AC when you use the Cleave feat, Lunge feat, or when you charge.


I agree with Nimm's assessment.

And I would not say they stack when you read closely:
The feat reduces the penalty *while* you charge, whereas the other ability reduces it *after* you charged. They would complement each other.

Combining these archetypes in that way would make it too strong IMO.


Burst of Speed and Nimble Striker do not stack by themselves because they do not give a bonus but only remove penalties.
They should work with Savage Charge for a total reduction of [half your fighter level] - 4.

Pretty strong IMO. There better be no pounce...

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Lord Nimm wrote:
Pretty strong IMO. There better be no pounce...

Like this?

Claw Pounce (Combat) wrote:

You can charge and make an attack with your paws.

Prerequisites: Str 13, Dex 15, Nimble Striker, base attack bonus +10, catfolk, cat's claws racial trait or Aspect of the Beast (claws of the beast manifestation).

Benefit: When you make a charge, you can make a full attack with your claws.

Normal: Charging is a special full-round action that limits you to a single attack.

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