Cloud Gazer+ Smoke Bomb


Rules Questions


Can a sylph ninja with the Cloud Gazer feat from Advanced Race Guide see through her own smoke bomb? Smoke is not precisely fog, mist, or cloud; but Smoke Bomb creates an non-magical effect like a smokestick, and a smokestick works like fog cloud.

Relevant rules:

Cloud Gazer wrote:
Benefit: You can see through fog, mist, and clouds, without penalty, ignoring any cover or concealment bonuses from such effects. If the effect is created by magic, this feat instead triples the distance you can see without penalty.
Smoke Bomb wrote:
Smoke Bomb (Ex): This ability allows a ninja to throw a smoke bomb that creates a cloud of smoke with a 15-foot radius. This acts like the smoke from a smokestick. The ninja can center this smoke on herself, or throw the bomb as a ranged touch attack with a range of 20 feet. Using this ability is a standard action. Each use of this ability uses up 1 ki point.
Smokestick wrote:
This alchemically treated wooden stick instantly creates thick, opaque smoke when burned. The smoke fills a 10-foot cube (treat the effect as a fog cloud spell, except that a moderate or stronger wind dissipates the smoke in 1 round). The stick is consumed after 1 round, and the smoke dissipates naturally after 1 minute.


I would say no, just because there are a couple other abilities that specifically call out smoke. (oracle revelation and something else).


Agreed on the no on that. You would need to be an Ifrit for that.


You can make the argument that because the smoke stick is 'treated as’ Fog Cloud, that is it treated as being a fog/cloud.

It is a very sketchy argument though, but I've seen people make it before. It is clearly not RAI. So, if you don't care about sensibility and 'things that make sense', go for it. The ‘treated as Fog Cloud’ is simply for hard numbers and effects(concealment etc), not that it ‘actually is’ Fog Cloud.

Cloud gazer would seem to let you see through air, no matter how humid that air might be. Dust, sand, smoke, ash, etc are all a bit different.

But if you simply don't care? Yeah, there is an awkward RAW argument that you could make, and you might even convince a liberal or easily hoodwinked GM.


Ah... that's it. Ifrit, Oracle of flame revelation, Goz Mask. All those do it legally.

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