Bardic performance: instrument needed?


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Countersong is a bardic performance that makes you do a Perform (keyboard, percussion, wind, string, or sing) skill check. If I want to use that bardic performance (and considering I don't do it by singing), should I play an instrument to be able to do the check?

If so, that would imply not being able to use a two handed weapon while I perform, right?

Thanks in advance for your help!


Pretty much. Though dont forget, you can use any type of perform as far as I'm aware. You can use perform(oratory) and be a sort of drill seargent. But yeah, you do need some sort of sonic component. So if you want to fight at the same time, stick to song.


Yeah, we have a bard that used Perform (Oratory-Sarcasm) to basically mock and disrupt the baddies.

You could theoretically get a harmonica with neck strap I guess...


Perform Oratory for the Drill-Sergeant theme is pretty common.

One campaign had a Bard/Paladin who was always quoting scripture, psalms, and aphorisms when 'performing'

"And thou shalt recognize the LORD when I descend upon you with great vengeance and righteous anger!"

"Thou shalt SMITE the wicked, and plunge them into the fiery pits!"

"Hope is our shield! Faith is our armor! We are vulnerable to naught but ourselves!"

He pretty much based his character off of a Space Marine Chaplain from Warhammer 40k and just substituted the name of his God for the Emperor.

That was a lot of fun.

Very Respectfully,
--Bacon


Haelcione wrote:

Yeah, we have a bard that used Perform (Oratory-Sarcasm) to basically mock and disrupt the baddies.

You could theoretically get a harmonica with neck strap I guess...

I would fit sarcasm under perform (comedy), but that might just be me.


I'm a traditionalist. I believe all bardic performances should require an instrument; a harpsichord, cello or tuba would be acceptable.

Grand Lodge

Matthew Downie wrote:
I'm a traditionalist. I believe all bardic performances should require an instrument; a harpsichord, cello or tuba would be acceptable.

So, no Mime Bards?


Matthew Downie wrote:
I'm a traditionalist. I believe all bardic performances should require an instrument; a harpsichord, cello or tuba would be acceptable.

No "shake yo boo-tey and be inspired"?:(


Matthew Downie wrote:
I'm a traditionalist. I believe all bardic performances should require an instrument; a harpsichord, cello or tuba would be acceptable.

A bard with a one-man-band setup and 'catch off guard'?

How much damage would the drum mallets do? Could he count the cymbals as shields?

LOL (I picture this hypothetical character being a gnome...)

Very Respectfully,
--Bacon

Grand Lodge

We have a Bard who Beatboxes and Breakdances.


Nadlor wrote:

Countersong is a bardic performance that makes you do a Perform (keyboard, percussion, wind, string, or sing) skill check. If I want to use that bardic performance (and considering I don't do it by singing), should I play an instrument to be able to do the check?

If so, that would imply not being able to use a two handed weapon while I perform, right?

Thanks in advance for your help!

by the rules....

if you don't sing, you need hands-free for those instruments.

Inspire courage can be any form of performance... oratory, mime, erotic dance, juggling.

Counter-song specifically calls out the performances you can use, so, yes if you want to effectively counter song in combat with a weapon drawn, you should practice your singing.

Now, many GMs house-rule this requirement aside, but, to the best of my knowledge, circumventing it is a house rule, and if your GM is requiring it, the rules back him up.

Grand Lodge

Is tap considered percussion?


MC Templar wrote:


Inspire courage can be any form of performance... oratory, mime, erotic dance, juggling.

I am totally house-ruling perform (mime, juggling & erotic dancing) into existence in my games. I'll even add that perform (erotic dancing) gives a bonus on fascinate DC against individuals who might be attracted to you.

However, perform (mime) will end up with being thrown into the scorpion pit, so it should be used sparingly.


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My bard uses tear-away clothing and Perform(dance). Nothing inspires courage like a half-elf twerking in the backfield.


williamoak wrote:
Haelcione wrote:

Yeah, we have a bard that used Perform (Oratory-Sarcasm) to basically mock and disrupt the baddies.

You could theoretically get a harmonica with neck strap I guess...

I would fit sarcasm under perform (comedy), but that might just be me.

The comedy is when he is trying to make money, the sarcasm is fightin' words where he comes from. :)


shiiktan wrote:
My bard uses tear-away clothing and Perform(dance). Nothing inspires courage like a half-elf twerking in the backfield.

I am going to frame this somehow.

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