Is the kickstarter boon tradable?

[Nefreet]

I rescind all opposition I've had to trading this boon. I just found out recently that trading photocopies of boons is acceptable, and that names and watermarks do not matter, so I have no argument against trading the Kickstarter boon.

[Dylos]

Kindly bumping this thread so that discussion about weather or not the kickstarter boon is legally able to be traded can go here instead of in the trading thread.

[Dylos]

I do want to note that two-thirds of these chronicle sheets are watermarked.

[Jeff Merola]

Destiny of the Sands Part 2 has a watermarked chronicle sheet, too, as was pointed out earlier in the thread.

[DrakeRoberts]

There is a large difference, imo, between trading watermarked pdfs of Paizo books, and this boon. The no-trading watermarked books is a matter of regulating piracy. Clear and simple. It's a matter of infringing upon intellectual property rights and denying Paizo their rightful profits.

This boon was not 'sold' in a traditional sense. It was from a Kickstarter, which really is more of a donation to a cause than anything, as there is no guarantee given on goals/payouts from kickstarter. Furthermore, piracy of boons has already been shown to be handled via trust rather than tracking watermarks, as Mike Brock has condoned trading scanned boons, which clearly wouldn't have watermarks.

[gbonehead]

Stupid question, probably, but where is the Kickstarter boon?

Edit: Indeed a stupid question, there it is in my downloads :)

[Chris Lambertz]

Removed a series of posts and the responses to them/quoting them. While we're OK with debates, it's not OK to make antagonizing posts. Take a moment to remember there's another person on the other side of the screen and leave the grar out of the thread please.

[Chris Lambertz]

Removed a few more posts/responses. If you have an issue with a moderator decision, you can post to Website Feedback or email [e-mail]. Please note that moderator posts are not to be taken as clarification on any game discussion, and that posts that are quoting/in response to a removed post are removed for continuity. Let's not derail this thread further, please.

[Tempest_Knight]

Chris, are you still keeping me from restarting the debate in this thread?

[Nefreet]

Tempest_Knight, this quote from the Boon Trading thread is what made me retract any opposition I had to trading the Kickstarter boon:

Luke Parry wrote:

Ummm... You can definitely send electronic copies.

Boons handed out at previous GenCons have actually been photocopies.

A lot of online games send out electronic chronicles.

All of the boons for the most recent PbP Games Day were sent out as electronic copies.

Also, Mike Brock has said the following:

Michael Brock wrote:

If you have a "standard" boon, then they can be scanned and emailed.

If you have a "special" boon (and they are all signed by me personally), with a raised seal and signed in metallic ink by me, then they have to be mailed via postal service, fedex, whatever. These are very few, including the goblin boons, auction boons, etc...

(I can't link the thread as it is on the VO boards, but Mike has said that it is fine to quote him from that thread onto the public boards.)

[Tempest_Knight]

But, were does it address Watermarks?

That citation is referring to two things;

The "standard" convention boons, both physical and digital.

and

"Special" boons, all signed by Mike Brock in metallic ink with raised seal.

The Emerald Elixir boon is not a 'standard' convention boon nor it a "Special".

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We still have the issue of generally not being able to trade watermarked PDFs.

[TriOmegaZero]

Mike didn't say 'standard convention' boon.

He said 'standard' boon.

Please cite where you are getting the idea that the Kickstarter boon is in a separate category.

[Tempest_Knight]

We can start with the context, the citation, which incudes the citation of Mike Brock's, is dealing with Convention boons.

Luke Parry wrote:

Ummm... You can definitely send electronic copies.

Boons handed out at previous [u]GenCons[/u] have actually been photocopies.

A lot of online games send out electronic chronicles.

All of the boons for the most recent [u]PbP Games Day[/u] were sent out as electronic copies.

Yes, there is a note about digital Chronicles, but the context is Convention boons.

To support that Luke quoted Mike. Since we don't have access to the full tread, we must keep to the context it being cited to support. (Convention boons)

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Describe the feature of the 'Standard' boon.

Will go out on a limb and say that it does not include a watermark...

In fact, going through my collection of Boons, only 1 has a watermark...

By the definition of the word 'standard' this would make watermarked boons non-standard.

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Please cite where you are getting the idea that the Kickstarter boon is NOT in a separate category.

[TriOmegaZero]

Tempest_Knight wrote:

By the definition of the word 'standard' this would make watermarked boons non-standard.

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Please cite where you are getting the idea that the Kickstarter boon is NOT in a separate category.

So you have no ruling to refer to that states water-marked boons are illegal for trade, so you want me to find a rule stating that they are legal for trade?