Holy Vindicator's Vindicator's Shield and Versatile Channeler

[Malle]

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Versatile Channeler

Prerequisites: Channel energy class feature, necromancer or neutrally aligned cleric (see below).

Benefit: You may make a choice whenever you use your channel energy class feature.

If you normally channel positive energy, you may choose to channel negative energy as if your effective cleric level were 2 levels lower than normal.

If you normally channel negative energy, you may choose to channel positive energy as if your effective cleric level were 2 levels lower than normal.

Having this feat means you qualify for feats and abilities that have "channel positive energy" or "channel negative energy" as a prerequisite (for example, you qualify for the Command Undead feat and the Turn Undead feat).

Note: This feat only applies to necromancers, neutral clerics who worship neutral deities, or neutral clerics who do not worship a deity -- characters who have the channel energy class ability and have to make a choice to channel positive or negative energy at 1st level. Clerics whose alignment or deity makes this choice for them cannot select this feat.

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Vindicator's Shield

A vindicator can channel energy into his shield as a standard action; when worn, the shield gives the vindicator a sacred bonus (if positive energy) or profane bonus (if negative energy) to his Armor Class equal to the number of dice of the vindicator’s channel energy. This bonus lasts for 24 hours or until the vindicator is struck in combat, whichever comes first. The shield does not provide this bonus to any other wielder, but the vindicator does not need to be holding the shield for it to retain this power.

1) Can a Holy Vindicator with Versatile Channeler choose whether to apply a sacred or profane bonus when using Vindicator's Shield?

2) If a Holy Vindicator can choose whether to apply a sacred or profane bonus as above, can he apply both types to the same shield simultaneously (by two separate uses of Vindicator's Shield)?

[Tuffon]

not sure how it is written, but at my table I would simply use the stacking rules.

I interrupt profane and sacred bonuses as just a way to say good divine or bad divine.
The fact that they are both divine and both coming from the same source and doing the same thing means i would not let them stack with one another. You can have both types but cant have both types from the same source doing the same thing..

Once again This is just how I would run it at home..

[The Morphling]

Malle wrote:

1) Can a Holy Vindicator with Versatile Channeler choose whether to apply a sacred or profane bonus when using Vindicator's Shield?

Seems so. You "channel energy" into your shield, which gives a sacred bonus if you channel positive, and a profane bonus if you channel negative. Since you can channel either, you can choose which bonus you get.

Malle wrote:

2) If a Holy Vindicator can choose whether to apply a sacred or profane bonus as above, can he apply both types to the same shield simultaneously (by two separate uses of Vindicator's Shield)?

Yep. Sacred bonuses stack with profane bonuses, so this would indeed work. That's a pretty awesome concept right there - sounds like a champion of Pharasma right there.

[DonDuckie]

I would allow both (and I really like this idea).

1) The bonus type is determined by the power channeled into the shield.

2) It's an activated ability with two (different) effects, so it's not unreasonable to say it's possible to have two active uses at a time.

(It's possible to argue that it's not intended for this; only one active instance at a time. Like a paladin's divine bond can't be used multiple times to keep adding enhancements to a weapon (or to two weapons). At least that's how I understand that ability.)