Questions About Feint...


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Hey there. I'm kinda a new GM and I'm really confused about this... combat maneuver? I understand how the numbers work, but it says in the core rule book that to deny the opponent their dexterity bonus to AC on your next attack, you must make an attack in the same round as you performed the Feint... But Feint is a standard action unless you get the improved feint feat. Does this mean that Feinting is useless until you get the feat? Because you obviously can't attack in the same round after performing a standard action Feint.

Is that clear? I'd really like an explanation...

Also, what exactly is a Feint? In the dictionary of sword fighting it means faking the opponent out with a false move of the blade, but everyone on the forums describes it as falling down prone and actually... faking feinting. I'm so confused about all this... Is there anyone who can help me? :)

Sczarni

Bluff Skill wrote:
Feint: You can use Bluff to feint in combat, causing your opponent to be denied his Dexterity bonus to his AC against your next attack. The DC of this check is equal to 10 + your opponent's base attack bonus + your opponent's Wisdom modifier. If your opponent is trained in Sense Motive, the DC is instead equal to 10 + your opponent's Sense Motive bonus, if higher. For more information on feinting in combat, see Combat.
Combat wrote:

Feinting is a standard action. To feint, make a Bluff skill check. The DC of this check is equal to 10 + your opponent's base attack bonus + your opponent's Wisdom modifier. If your opponent is trained in Sense Motive, the DC is instead equal to 10 + your opponent's Sense Motive bonus, if higher. If successful, the next melee attack you make against the target does not allow him to use his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any). This attack must be made on or before your next turn.

When feinting against a nonhumanoid you take a –4 penalty. Against a creature of animal Intelligence (1 or 2), you take a –8 penalty. Against a creature lacking an Intelligence score, it's impossible. Feinting in combat does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

Feinting as a Move Action: With the Improved Feint feat, you can attempt a feint as a move action.

Does that help?


Contagion wrote:
falling down prone and actually... faking feinting.

Feinting is a false attack. It has nothing to do with Fainting.


As Nefreet points out - you have until the end of your next turn, not until it begins.

Brf wrote:
Contagion wrote:
falling down prone and actually... faking feinting.
Feinting is a false attack. It has nothing to do with Fainting.

Falling down, etc., is feigning death, which possibly can also be done with a Bluff check, but is not a feint (nor actually even a feigned faint).

You have to be careful when making yourself appear dead of course - some creatures like to take trophies. Not for the faint of heart...


Doing a normal feint is a bluff check as a standard action and the NEXT round you get to attack them while they are denied their Dex bonus to AC.
Kinda week until improved feint, but great if you are a two-weapon rogue with improved two-weapon feint.


Just make sure you aren't confusing feinting with fainting.


Ah... I see. The "This attack must be made on or before your next turn." really threw me off. I thought it meant on, as in on the turn you just did it, and not before your next turn. I get it now, and thanks for the other comments too. This really clarifies things. :)

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