grappling


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If a creature successfully grapples a creature, and is now has the grappled condition can it attack other creatures or can it only attack the creature it has grappled?


It can attack everything in reach with a -2 penalty.

Grapple wrote:
If You Are Grappled: If you are grappled, you can attempt to break the grapple as a standard action by making a combat maneuver check (DC equal to your opponent's CMD; this does not provoke an attack of opportunity) or Escape Artist check (with a DC equal to your opponent's CMD). If you succeed, you break the grapple and can act normally. Alternatively, if you succeed, you can become the grappler, grappling the other creature (meaning that the other creature cannot freely release the grapple without making a combat maneuver check, while you can). Instead of attempting to break or reverse the grapple, you can take any action that doesn't require two hands to perform, such as cast a spell or make an attack or full attack with a light or one-handed weapon against any creature within your reach, including the creature that is grappling you. See the grappled condition for additional details. If you are pinned, your actions are very limited. See the pinned condition in Conditions for additional details.
Grappled Condition wrote:
Grappled: A grappled creature is restrained by a creature, trap, or effect. Grappled creatures cannot move and take a –4 penalty to Dexterity. A grappled creature takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls and combat maneuver checks, except those made to grapple or escape a grapple. In addition, grappled creatures can take no action that requires two hands to perform. A grappled character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level), or lose the spell. Grappled creatures cannot make attacks of opportunity.


If a creature grapples something, and maintains the grapple, odds are it has no standard action left. Should the creature controlling the grapple wish to spend his standard attacking another creature, it releases the grapple.

If the creature has greater grapple or rapid grapple, I suppose it could attack another, adjacent creature. There is, however, a penalty imposed on any creature unable to control a grapple with two hands. I would rule that attacking another creature uses a "hand" (i.e. removes focus from maintaining the grapple) and imparts this penalty on checks to maintain the grapple during the round.

Liberty's Edge

downerbeautiful wrote:
If a creature grapples something, and maintains the grapple, odds are it has no standard action left.

It could be the character grappled that then rather than trying to break free tries to grapple a third character (albeit with just one hand).


There is a classic confusion that comes from what people think is happening when they hear the words "grapple".

Most people think that grapple = bear hug. Which is wrong!

In Pathfinder, a grapple is more like having a whip around your sword arm, limiting your movements overall, but far from incapacitated. Even a handshake where you don't let go or a toddler hugging your leg are basic grapples.

Wrestling moves like bear hugs, head locks or the deathly coils of a constrictor snake where the target cannot move is a pin, which is the next step after a successful grapple.


DigitalMage wrote:
downerbeautiful wrote:
If a creature grapples something, and maintains the grapple, odds are it has no standard action left.
It could be the character grappled that then rather than trying to break free tries to grapple a third character (albeit with just one hand).

Grab is the only ability that allows characters to grapple without gaining the grappled condition, and that assumes the character takes the -20 on the grab attempt to not gain the grappled condition.

That being said, if the person maintaining the grapple chooses to attack another creature for his standard action then without greater grapple/rapid grappler, he loses the grappled target. If the grappled target wants to attack someone else instead of breaking free or attacking the character maintaining the grapple, he may do so. Hopefully his weapon isn't two-handed because then he's SOL.

Liberty's Edge

downerbeautiful wrote:
DigitalMage wrote:
downerbeautiful wrote:
If a creature grapples something, and maintains the grapple, odds are it has no standard action left.
It could be the character grappled that then rather than trying to break free tries to grapple a third character (albeit with just one hand).

Grab is the only ability that allows characters to grapple without gaining the grappled condition, and that assumes the character takes the -20 on the grab attempt to not gain the grappled condition.

That being said, if the person maintaining the grapple chooses to attack another creature for his standard action then without greater grapple/rapid grappler, he loses the grappled target. If the grappled target wants to attack someone else instead of breaking free or attacking the character maintaining the grapple, he may do so. Hopefully his weapon isn't two-handed because then he's SOL.

I am not sure what the reference to Grab was meant in relation to my post. But basically I was saying that if Adam grapples Brad, then Brad could (rather than try to escape from Adam) initiate a grapple on Chris.

So you could get a threeway grapple even at low levels.


DigitalMage wrote:
downerbeautiful wrote:
DigitalMage wrote:
downerbeautiful wrote:
If a creature grapples something, and maintains the grapple, odds are it has no standard action left.
It could be the character grappled that then rather than trying to break free tries to grapple a third character (albeit with just one hand).

Grab is the only ability that allows characters to grapple without gaining the grappled condition, and that assumes the character takes the -20 on the grab attempt to not gain the grappled condition.

That being said, if the person maintaining the grapple chooses to attack another creature for his standard action then without greater grapple/rapid grappler, he loses the grappled target. If the grappled target wants to attack someone else instead of breaking free or attacking the character maintaining the grapple, he may do so. Hopefully his weapon isn't two-handed because then he's SOL.

I am not sure what the reference to Grab was meant in relation to my post. But basically I was saying that if Adam grapples Brad, then Brad could (rather than try to escape from Adam) initiate a grapple on Chris.

So you could get a threeway grapple even at low levels.

Yes, you could get two grapples going on between three people at any level.

Considering that the initial inquiry involved the ability for the individual controlling the grapple's ability to attack anyone outside of the grapple, and considering your mention of a grappled chain, I actually got lost in who was grappling whom.

Anyway, if you're being grappled, you may attack whomever is in reach at the start of your turn. If you're controlling the grapple, you may attack whomever is in reach at the start of your turn, too; if you cannot maintain as a move or faster, you'd lose the grapple.

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