Spring Attack & Double strike (Two - weapon Warrior Archetype)?


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I have two questions. I have a two - weapon fighter with the archetype who just got double strike which allows both weapons as a standard attack. He wants to take spring attack.

1st question is by raw can these two be combined?

2nd question if by raw they can't be combined would it be overpowered or broken to allow this combination?

I'm leaning towards allowing regardless since I like the cinematic look, but want to get others input first?

Shadow Lodge

Not RAW. [Similar issue with Vital Strike. (Source)

FAQ wrote:

Can Vital Strike be used with Spring Attack? Can Vital Strike be used on a charge?

No. Vital Strike can only be used as part of an attack action, which is a specific kind of standard action. Spring Attack is a special kind of full-round action that includes the ability to make one melee attack, not one attack action. Charging uses similar language and can also not be used in combination with Vital Strike.

Not overpowered. I'd allow it.


Doublestrike (Ex): At 9th level, a two-weapon warrior may, as a standard action, make one attack with both his primary and secondary weapons. The penalties for attacking with two weapons apply normally. This ability replaces weapon training 2.
Spring Attack wrote:

Spring Attack (Combat)

You can deftly move up to a foe, strike, and withdraw before he can react.

Prerequisites: Dex 13, Dodge, Mobility, base attack bonus +4.

Benefit: As a full-round action, you can move up to your speed and make a single melee attack without provoking any attacks of opportunity from the target of your attack. You can move both before and after the attack, but you must move at least 10 feet before the attack and the total distance that you move cannot be greater than your speed. You cannot use this ability to attack a foe that is adjacent to you at the start of your turn.

Normal: You cannot move before and after an attack.

Emphasis mine.

RAW, since you cannot take a standard action and a full-round action in the same turn, you cannot use Doublestrike in conjunction with Spring Attack; even if you had some ability that gave you more actions on your turn, RAW, the only actions you can take in the middle of a full-round action are swift, immediate, and free actions.

Also note that Doublestrike is its own standard action, not the "Attack Action" so you can't use it with, say, Vital Strike.

That being said, I don't really see an issue with allowing it if you're the GM.

EDIT: Ninja'd


I'd allow it too. The fighter on the whole is not know to be an over powered class. They could use the help.


Since this is a Rules Questions forum, we should discuss the actual rules. Goblin got it right, one is a Standard action, the other is a Full-round action, so they are not compatible.

I too would probably allow it, as a house rule. The character in question invested time and training to learn how to attack twice so quickly that it only requires a standard action (and a weapon in each hand), and he also invested time and training to learn how to spend his round moving such that he can make a normal attack in the middle of a move. That's quite a bit of time and training to learn two incompatible abilities that, logically, seem like they could probably work very well together.

Of course, that means that my bad guys might use this trick too...


They don't know I'm developing an arch enemy using same concept


One more question during a spring attack can you perform a jump or acrobatics movement to avoid other enemies attack of opportunities or to avoid difficult terrain to reach your target?

I know there was a 3.5 feat called leaping attack that gave double power attack bonuses.

Shadow Lodge

Acrobatics checks to avoid AoO are made as part of movement, not as their own action, so you should be able to make then as part of the movement part of Spring Attack.


What about jumping over difficult terrain if your Acrobatics is good enough to reach?

Shadow Lodge

Yes. Double-checked and all acrobatics checks are made as part of movement.

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