i could have swore i read somewhere that when a druid wildshapes he does NOT change types and remains humanoid or whatever he was before wildshaping, but now that i am reading to make sure i didn't misread anything i can't find that statement anywhere
It does not change type. It changes what abilities you have while you are that type by copying another type's abilities. If it changed type it would say so. The rules are generally more inclusive than exclusive meaning there is no reason to say "this doesn't change your type." If you were a humanoid before you're still treated as a humanoid during a polymorph effect for things like spells.
ok, thanks
related question.....i have frog domain
Webfoot (Ex)
At 6th level, you gain the amphibious special quality and a swim speed equal to your land speed. At 12th level, you gain a climb speed equal to your land speed
Amphibious (Ex)
Creatures with this special quality have the aquatic subtype, but they can survive indefinitely on land.
polymorph school says you lose EX. abilitys, so would i lose the aquatic subtype
If you have an ability that grants a subtype that a polymorph effect takes away, then you would absolutely lose that subtype.
okie dokie, thats what i thought...just making sure
Don't you keep your class abilities while polymorphed or wildshaped?
You lose abilities that depend on your original form. The polymorph block says these "should be obvious" and then leaves it up to the GM to decide what's what.
frog domain gives a supernatural ability to shoot out a sticky tendril....so i might argue to keep it in a frog form.....might wanna keep the amphibious too
I'd argue that your class abilities are almost never dependent on your form. They are dependent on your class.
An awakened bear would still possess the amphibious quality from his class, so why not a human druid wildshaped into a bear? Ergo, it is not dependent on form.
Certain racial abilities, such as grab or darkvision, on the other hand...
I'd argue that your class abilities are almost never dependent on your form. They are dependent on your class.
An awakened bear would still possess the amphibious quality from his class, so why not a human druid wildshaped into a bear? Ergo, it is not dependent on form.
Certain racial abilities, such as grab or darkvision, on the other hand...
because an awakend bear would add amphibious to his beary self. If you use magic to turn yourself into a bear, you don't use it to turn yourself into an awakend bear that has levels in druid :P and considering you can gain those types of abilities with changing your shape, using your argument, you couldn't gain those abilities because you magically take a different form, yet they're not depended on form right?
You would not lose the subtype. You might lose abilities the subtype grants to you however. Polymorph does not affect type or subtype.
As an example if a subtype of a humanoid granted flight due to having wings and you changed into something without wings you are still that subtype, but you can't fly because your wings are no longer there.
That would be true for naturally gained types and subtypes. However, if you lose something granting a subtype, how do you retain it? It's not part of you naturally.
Yes.
Same would be if attacked with a ranger having fav enemy (animal)--no benefits for him.
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